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Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1291957)

This brings up an even better question. Why do the older guys INSIST on not using the darn interphone that was obviously put in the plane to make communications EASIER between crewmembers. If you jumpseat on a regional you will notice most of them have nice headsets and protect their hearing while the older crews here seem to love to either take them off or one ear the whole flight and scream at each other. :confused:
I guess we are all destined to be deaf.

Oh and for those of you who like the yelling to each other. Try to be very political even with the door closed. They can hear you in the font galley :D

I'm not sure you quite know what you're talking about.... I've flown the 88, 75/76, 737, and A320 at DL, and the A320 is the first fleet I've flown here that has a hot mic.

Some of the guys on the 737 would wrap a rubber band around the squishy thing at the base of the selector panel and use it to pull the I/C switch back, thus jerry rigging a hot mic. Other than that, it's not a hot mic aircraft like all the others.

I can't speak for the 765 or the 777, but I know the 744 also doesn't have a hot mic.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1292142)

Some of the guys on the 737 would wrap a rubber band around the squishy thing at the base of the selector panel and use it to pull the I/C switch back, thus jerry rigging a hot mic. Other than that, it's not a hot mic aircraft like all the others.

Oh, that's what they are there for?

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/vQsXtJ9HX0Q/mqdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1292118)

um... what year do they think the restaurants in A and B will open?

They do have a firm date - when we hire.*

*Firm date defined as "next year, maybe. Certainly the year after that if the economy recovers".

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1292095)

I did not discuss the claim money. The claim money was to offset the pay and work rule changes going forward from the 1113 contract. Its often forgotten about in pay rate comparisons to other airlines during that period. The note however was a direct retirement replacement and only payable if the retirement plan was terminated.

Actually, that's how people came to view it, but it's a completely inaccurate view of the actual sequence of events. That Note money could not possibly be a retirement offset, otherwise it would have belonged to the PBGC. As a lone line pilot at the one MEC post-meeting social thing I attended, I very specifically asked an MEC member (and my own reps) whether the Claim and Note would be general concession offsets (before voting for LOA 51), or a retirement offset. I was told that it could not, and would not be a retirement offset. Only after the claim turned out to pay better than expected ("thank you", Doug Parker), and settlement with the PBGC was reached, did the MEC start to describe the upcoming Note as a response to "Retirement-Related Concessions".

You're absolutely correct about the product that was delivered, but completely incorrect about the product that was originally sold. Maybe you always expected a retirement offset, and so this fit your expectations, but I am 100% certain I was sold something else. Let me wrap this up by saying that, at the end, the distribution of the sum of the Claim and Note was acceptable to me, so it's water under the bridge.

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The furlough recall schedule was modified but other sections in the contract made it likely the company would recall and they did recall. I believe in fact the recalls were faster then required under LOA46.

I agree. And it's also water under the bridge.

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Greenslips were not a senior issue. They were spread throughout the list. In fact the category with the most greenslips during that time period was probably the MD88B or the 737B. The churning kept then short and lots of greenslips went out. In the end the company was going to cover the flying. I loved being met and the gate and handed a trip assignment when I did not want to fly. Happened several times to me once over Christmas. I would prefer they take the volunteer first. What we needed was a contractual provision limiting overtime flying with a pilot on furlough. You have to allow the company some flexibility in the event of something like the storm that just hit NY but you could put limits in place. It is worth mentioning however that GS's increase the required manning so are self correcting to a certain extent and helped get guys recalled.

I agree with the part in bold. It's not exactly a pure seniority issue. It was an issue between furloughees, and active pilots. I only bring this up in response to your point about COBRA. Regardless of the reasons, or rationalizations, many guys were (legally) flying GS while people were on furlough. That's not even close to being morally justifiable. It's something I think we need to tighten up in future contracts.

I was at the same MEC meeting and remember them saying that the Note was NOT compensation for the lost retirement. PBGC, etc. Then the union turned around and did just that. Made it compensation for the lost retirement. Some really senior guys walked away with big bucks frpm that, but it's over for me now.

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1292211)

Yes, they had to say what they did. Otherwise the PBGC would have objected: "Wait a minute! Delta is dumping pension liabilities on us because they don't have the money to fund them, but they have lots of money to pay compensation for doing that very thing? That sounds like they're buying DALPA's agreement to the pension-dump and sticking us with the bill!" :mad:

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1292201)

Actually, that's how people came to view it, but it's a completely inaccurate view of the actual sequence of events. That Note money could not possibly be a retirement offset, otherwise it would have belonged to the PBGC. As a lone line pilot at the one MEC post-meeting social thing I attended, I very specifically asked an MEC member (and my own reps) whether the Claim and Note would be general concession offsets (before voting for LOA 51), or a retirement offset. I was told that it could not, and would not be a retirement offset. Only after the claim turned out to pay better than expected ("thank you", Doug Parker), and settlement with the PBGC was reached, did the MEC start to describe the upcoming Note as a response to "Retirement-Related Concessions".

You're absolutely correct about the product that was delivered, but completely incorrect about the product that was originally sold. Maybe you always expected a retirement offset, and so this fit your expectations, but I am 100% certain I was sold something else. Let me wrap this up by saying that, at the end, the distribution of the sum of the Claim and Note was acceptable to me, so it's water under the bridge.

I think in a way you are both right and wrong about this...I seem to recall that it was for all intents and purposes a retirement offset, but that ALPA had to vehemently deny it as such or the PBGC would in fact have a solid claim to it. I think they attempted to claim it as such anyway.

LAX 73A for Dec 2012 are out backdoor... Not sure about any others!

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1292230)

LAX 73A for Dec 2012 are out backdoor... Not sure about any others!

NYC 7ERA as well.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1292142)

I'm not sure you quite know what you're talking about.... I've flown the 88, 75/76, 737, and A320 at DL, and the A320 is the first fleet I've flown here that has a hot mic.

Some of the guys on the 737 would wrap a rubber band around the squishy thing at the base of the selector panel and use it to pull the I/C switch back, thus jerry rigging a hot mic. Other than that, it's not a hot mic aircraft like all the others.

I can't speak for the 765 or the 777, but I know the 744 also doesn't have a hot mic.

Headset off at 18K, speaker on. Headset back on...about 14 hours later. Normal conversational tone.