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johnso29 01-24-2013 06:45 AM

What an original move. These guys need a reality check.:rolleyes:

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dalad 01-24-2013 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1337431)
I don't think so either.

I think you can, but you have to police yourself on the BHL. Not going to say any more on this, but I was stunned that he was discussing this openly.

johnso29 01-24-2013 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1337439)
I think you can, but you have to police yourself on the BHL. Not going to say any more on this, but I was stunned that he was discussing this openly.

Understood. Surprising to me as well.

Bucking Bar 01-24-2013 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1337420)
I'm thinking no.

Depends.

If you take your kid up and fly over the lake ... if you relieve your stress flying gentlemen's aerobatics in a Citabria ... ?

The FAA also permits an exemption for those who are performing flying incidental to their business, but not holding forth as commercial pilots. In other words, there is a distinction between a commercial pilot flying an employee to a meeting for compensation and the employee flying himself to a meeting.

The hinge point is the murky area of what is a "commercial operation" ? My semi informed best guess is that a pilot would be prohibited from carrying passengers or cargo in any form. I'm even careful carrying parts, salvage, or consultants. Usually those sort of hings go on FedEx really well and have the advantage of not leaving greasy spots on the interior :)

forgot to bid 01-24-2013 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1337439)
I think you can, but you have to police yourself on the BHL. Not going to say any more on this, but I was stunned that he was discussing this openly.

Well what I mean is for pay. I am thinking of one pilot in particular who was flying a Beechjet on the side for pay. So that kind of Part 91.

As to what Bar said, the legal letter I got back from the FAA when I asked them a question about charitable flying was that if you receive a benefit of any time then that is compensation and you need by a commercial pilot and operator. I think they provided an exemption but as Bar implied that whole thing is murky. And the best person I've ever seen making a living out of that murkiness was from the FAA. It helps if you put your friends in an awkward situation and nothing is really ever done.

johnso29 01-24-2013 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1337448)
Well what I mean is for pay. I am thinking of one pilot in particular who was flying a Beechjet on the side for pay. So that kind of Part 91.

That was my thought as well.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1337443)
Depends.

If you take your kid up and fly over the lake ... if you relieve your stress flying gentlemen's aerobatics in a Citabria ... ?

The FAA also permits an exemption for those who are performing flying incidental to their business, but not holding forth as commercial pilots. In other words, there is a distinction between a commercial pilot flying an employee to a meeting for compensation and the employee flying himself to a meeting.

The hinge point is the murky area of what is a "commercial operation" ? My semi informed best guess is that a pilot would be prohibited from carrying passengers or cargo in any form. I'm even careful carrying parts, salvage, or consultants. Usually those sort of hings go on FedEx really well and have the advantage of not leaving greasy spots on the interior :)

I was thinking more along the lines of providing flying services for compensation.

I agree with you.

scambo1 01-24-2013 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1337386)
I see this all the time. At least half the guys I fly with fly over 100 hours per month.

In the days of trip parking this was possible/easy. I would like to know how they are doing that today./? (vacation months aside)

Because...If trip parking went away, the only way to do that is if someone posts a trip drop on the PTP swap board (as a just take it). The pick up limit is the limit for the most part now. Right?

In my category, a just take it trip drop is just slightly less rare than a greenslip.

scambo1 01-24-2013 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1337404)
At some point I think the shareholders will force a change. They're likely pointing to all the money being left on the table with the silly little "Bags fly free" campaign. With no room for organic growth, and an industry that is continuing to see strong capacity discipline, SWA will have to find other forms of revenue. Plus, AirTran is still charging for bags.


Slowly, but surely, this industry is gravitating to an allegiant model.

scambo1 01-24-2013 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1337418)
Sigh............. :(

BTW, can he even fly Part 91 for money while employed at DAL?

not without permission because forgiveness isn't coming.

formerdal 01-24-2013 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1337431)
I don't think so either.

Yes, you can with approval from flight ops as long as you count the time toward the FAR limits...


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