Jack, I get how you feel but you are painting with an awful broad brush here.....Next you will be telling me the economy is my fault too.:rolleyes:

Denny

Well, here's what JG said...

"In Atlanta, we will continue to draw down the 767 domestic categories as the domestic 757/767 block hours are adjusted with the delivery of the 737-900s."

Not aimed at you Denny but there are some on here who already got theirs, now pushing the chess pieces so they get even more their last few years and selling the jr guys with rah rah rah it's all a good deal.

Yep. Exactly. It's so disparaging that a big fat "I told ya so" doesn't even feel good :( The dangling carrot of "hiring soon!" never turns out to be what was promised.

This, absolutely. All this economy talk is eyewash--nothing has changed since the TA was being sold and all the company strawmen were on here expounding on the upcoming hiring outlook. The reserve utilization giveback was an enormous blow to us, constantly justified by various posters as being "offset" by blah blah blah B S. Staffing is driven by the worst case reserve needs for Jul and Aug. We let them modify the days, and boost reserve ute from 68 hours to a potential 100ish, almost a 50% increase in utilization efficiency for our reserves... 20% of 11,500 is 2300 pilots; 50% increase in efficency of that group during Jul/aug is 1250 pilots.

That's what we bought with the TA, 1250 less pilots via reserve increase. Oh, of course reduced by the nebulous on no-data-to-support bogus claims of vacation, reserve now full, known absences count horse cr*p. I don't believe any of those claims, there has been no data given to support it... NONE of those gains matter in the slightest except for two critical months that drive hiring, Jul/Aug, and if you modify the "offset" claims to the months they actually have an effect, the impact of these offsets is minimal and no where near a full offset. And any pointing to a reserve hiring formula with 60 hours average use is likewise foolish misdirection as the non-factor months Sep thru May drive the average constantly below the hiring trigger--the hiring algorithm is hopelessly skewed to the point of being meaningless. My opinion without supporting data is at least as commanding as all the opposing opinions without supporting data.

And before all the TA cheerleaders channeling Bill Lumberg jump in, please... it's possible for someone to criticize one single aspect of the ta as being less than optimal without you demanding they "show me a better contract" etc... Show a little intellectual integrity and admit that this one area of the TA absolutely suckith, no matter WHAT mitigating other factors you perceive may exist.

+ BBar, +FrmFrtDog, -76drvr, -slowplay. And I'm starting to think Johnso is either running for office or his kid brother has taken over his account lately...

Yup. An "I told you so" isn't worth anything. Only a /doublefacepalm seems appropriate.

Another bite at the apple is right around the corner, and if you think the higher ALV or reserve utilization sucks for staffing, wait until the FT/DT negotiations start.

I really hope some of you have learned an important lesson here.

As far as the HND thing. Back in the early 90s, the government wonks were trying to re-work the Japanese air service treaty. NWA ran FULL page spreads in the Washington Post and other papers DAILY, for months on end, to keep it the way it was.

Flyallnite has it exactly right on NRT. It's really important, and important that everyone understands how it works.

Nu

Are you J. F.

Ah, this discussion again. When I brought it up a month or two ago, we had like four straight days of me being summarily told to shut my trap if I wanted to make it off probation, whenever DL hires sometime mid-decade.

So, uh, how bout them Vikes?

That was a great Office episode.

Who cares?

Identification is used for personal attacks, which have nothing to do with the "Latest and Greatest" at Delta and are frankly, boring for everyone else to read.