Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-23-2013 | 01:11 PM
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wintry mix in Atlanta on Friday.
You know what that means, the idiots that can drive around here year round become exponentially worse while those who used to drive up north in the snow think they're somehow drive fast on untreated roads.
And we have to de-ice at the airport...
You know what that means, the idiots that can drive around here year round become exponentially worse while those who used to drive up north in the snow think they're somehow drive fast on untreated roads.
And we have to de-ice at the airport...
01-23-2013 | 01:40 PM
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Ingrate.
Carl
01-23-2013 | 01:42 PM
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01-23-2013 | 01:44 PM
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01-23-2013 | 01:59 PM
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Sailing,
So, you don't think it was reasonable for pilots to look a that memo assume that we would be hiring by now? The distinction between "in class" and "hiring process" is something trained lawyers should catch, not pilots.
At any rate, it's interesting to note that this "unanticipated event" that caused them to delay the hiring process, happened sometime between June - when the memo was posted - and October - when the hiring process was forecast to possibly start. What happened in those 3 months that was unanticipated and caused them to change their minds?
Finally, at the time, I don't remember anyone saying the company only planned on hiring 150 pilots based on a model that they would get 300 early retirements.
1.) How do you know this?
2.) If I'm right, why do you think they left this important detail out?
I bet a lot of yes voters might have thought differently if they knew the company was only going to hire 150 pilots at best. Maybe even Bill Lumberg would have toned it down a little.
There were two events that stopped hiring. The ER program ended up with only 196 pilots however overall the result is better long term because of the demographics of who took the program. Then we had a large surge of Military leave pilots coming back after seeing our terrible contract. The had anticipated 300 ER pilots. There are 100 bodies right there. They did not plan on 150 mil leaves coming back. The 150 number was straight from crew planning in discussions in the last summer. We are and have been overstaffed with FO's. The 717's will be staffed with current FO's initially. Even with what I posted above flight ops still wanted to hire to smooth out the training flow. You might recall last month they stated they were not funded to hire additional pilots. The request to hire was denied above their level.
One other thing to keep in mind. When retirements kick in they will need a additional 500 pilots because of training constraints and the loss of pilot availability when large numbers of training cycles are needed. They will have to prime the pump at some point.
Sailing,
So, you don't think it was reasonable for pilots to look a that memo assume that we would be hiring by now? The distinction between "in class" and "hiring process" is something trained lawyers should catch, not pilots.
At any rate, it's interesting to note that this "unanticipated event" that caused them to delay the hiring process, happened sometime between June - when the memo was posted - and October - when the hiring process was forecast to possibly start. What happened in those 3 months that was unanticipated and caused them to change their minds?
Finally, at the time, I don't remember anyone saying the company only planned on hiring 150 pilots based on a model that they would get 300 early retirements.
1.) How do you know this?
2.) If I'm right, why do you think they left this important detail out?
I bet a lot of yes voters might have thought differently if they knew the company was only going to hire 150 pilots at best. Maybe even Bill Lumberg would have toned it down a little.
One other thing to keep in mind. When retirements kick in they will need a additional 500 pilots because of training constraints and the loss of pilot availability when large numbers of training cycles are needed. They will have to prime the pump at some point.
01-23-2013 | 02:17 PM
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Personally, after listening to the investor call, I am more convinced than ever that DL is embarking upon uncharted territory for an airline. As much as I'm disappointed at the lack of hiring and lack of a new widebody order, and the overall shrinkage at our company, I do think that something big is right around the corner.
I'm talking about "Big Data". If you aren't familiar with this term then I'd suggest you at least Google it because it's the next big thing. Like internet big. Maybe even bigger. There are a lot of things coming together in the world right now that are going to make possible things that we have struggled to even conceive.
The comments by RA regarding a large investment in revenue, product and strategic planning technology combined with the recent move towards ACARS 601 and other data collection points (such as the new website and app), the move towards a revenue based FF program, lead me to believe that with this new technology will come a top to bottom review of not only our business, but the entire industry and our position in it. Big Data will be put to use in determining what we are going to look like, where and what we will fly in 10 years. This isn't going to be done by some slimy consulting firm. It's going to be in-house and proprietary.
I think that until this review is complete, you'll see minimal aircraft orders and hiring at a pace to satisfy only a status quo. When it is complete, I think you're going to see a very different approach to our business, and I would expect it to be a very aggressive one.
I know all this sounds a bit far fetched, but it's happening right now in healthcare, engineering, manufacturing... practically every field you can think of and when the data finally catches up with the concept, it's going to be like flipping a switch. Boom. The future...
I'm talking about "Big Data". If you aren't familiar with this term then I'd suggest you at least Google it because it's the next big thing. Like internet big. Maybe even bigger. There are a lot of things coming together in the world right now that are going to make possible things that we have struggled to even conceive.
The comments by RA regarding a large investment in revenue, product and strategic planning technology combined with the recent move towards ACARS 601 and other data collection points (such as the new website and app), the move towards a revenue based FF program, lead me to believe that with this new technology will come a top to bottom review of not only our business, but the entire industry and our position in it. Big Data will be put to use in determining what we are going to look like, where and what we will fly in 10 years. This isn't going to be done by some slimy consulting firm. It's going to be in-house and proprietary.
I think that until this review is complete, you'll see minimal aircraft orders and hiring at a pace to satisfy only a status quo. When it is complete, I think you're going to see a very different approach to our business, and I would expect it to be a very aggressive one.
I know all this sounds a bit far fetched, but it's happening right now in healthcare, engineering, manufacturing... practically every field you can think of and when the data finally catches up with the concept, it's going to be like flipping a switch. Boom. The future...
01-23-2013 | 02:22 PM
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01-23-2013 | 02:37 PM
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Personally, after listening to the investor call, I am more convinced than ever that DL is embarking upon uncharted territory for an airline. As much as I'm disappointed at the lack of hiring and lack of a new widebody order, and the overall shrinkage at our company, I do think that something big is right around the corner.
I'm talking about "Big Data". If you aren't familiar with this term then I'd suggest you at least Google it because it's the next big thing. Like internet big. Maybe even bigger. There are a lot of things coming together in the world right now that are going to make possible things that we have struggled to even conceive.
The comments by RA regarding a large investment in revenue, product and strategic planning technology combined with the recent move towards ACARS 601 and other data collection points (such as the new website and app), the move towards a revenue based FF program, lead me to believe that with this new technology will come a top to bottom review of not only our business, but the entire industry and our position in it. Big Data will be put to use in determining what we are going to look like, where and what we will fly in 10 years. This isn't going to be done by some slimy consulting firm. It's going to be in-house and proprietary.
I think that until this review is complete, you'll see minimal aircraft orders and hiring at a pace to satisfy only a status quo. When it is complete, I think you're going to see a very different approach to our business, and I would expect it to be a very aggressive one.
I know all this sounds a bit far fetched, but it's happening right now in healthcare, engineering, manufacturing... practically every field you can think of and when the data finally catches up with the concept, it's going to be like flipping a switch. Boom. The future...
I'm talking about "Big Data". If you aren't familiar with this term then I'd suggest you at least Google it because it's the next big thing. Like internet big. Maybe even bigger. There are a lot of things coming together in the world right now that are going to make possible things that we have struggled to even conceive.
The comments by RA regarding a large investment in revenue, product and strategic planning technology combined with the recent move towards ACARS 601 and other data collection points (such as the new website and app), the move towards a revenue based FF program, lead me to believe that with this new technology will come a top to bottom review of not only our business, but the entire industry and our position in it. Big Data will be put to use in determining what we are going to look like, where and what we will fly in 10 years. This isn't going to be done by some slimy consulting firm. It's going to be in-house and proprietary.
I think that until this review is complete, you'll see minimal aircraft orders and hiring at a pace to satisfy only a status quo. When it is complete, I think you're going to see a very different approach to our business, and I would expect it to be a very aggressive one.
I know all this sounds a bit far fetched, but it's happening right now in healthcare, engineering, manufacturing... practically every field you can think of and when the data finally catches up with the concept, it's going to be like flipping a switch. Boom. The future...
Now, the next question is, where do you invest to make money on this "next big thing."
01-23-2013 | 02:56 PM
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From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
here's another dot:
two dozen current generation 320/737-family aircraft for 1B cash and a trade for some 50-seat RJs..
Delta Said to Talk With Airbus, Boeing on Jet Purchase - Bloomberg
Cheers
George
two dozen current generation 320/737-family aircraft for 1B cash and a trade for some 50-seat RJs..
Delta Said to Talk With Airbus, Boeing on Jet Purchase - Bloomberg
Cheers
George
01-23-2013 | 03:08 PM
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