acl65pilot

DAL had RJ's on order, CAL does not, and as you will agree we are in a different kind of economic event.

I think that we actually agree more than you think. In effect it is good we had this debate.
What I take issue with is this:
I do not like the fact that our MEC is mum on the issue. For good reason or not. I understand the whole big game plan and showing your pair of Aces issue. I do, but people are growing tired of it.

I also agree that we will have to buy it back for more than we sold it for. I never once said that we needed to solely ask for it in section 6. It will have to happen in section six and that is the point that many people like to make, myself included. (That is unless management comes to us first)

I would love to facilitate the company wanting these jets here. I know that a certain well connected individual on the DAL-N side of things has long stated that the company would come to us. His reasoning is sound. I also agree with him. I also think that the company for cost issues will ask us to put those jets on mainline.

What I want to see is a MEC strongly and convincingly state that the scope slide is over. We will not give any more jets to the DCI side of the operation. (70/76 seats), We will make the company commit to not renewing contracts when they come due. I know the cost associated with this, and we see eye to eye on recapturing this. What I do not want to see is us giving more flying away. Enough is enough. I do not really care how we do it, as long as it is done. Of course the cheapest option and the one that costs the least amount of capital is favorable. I understand the economics of your statement.

I am not for taking it in the shorts to get a few seats back, what I want us to do is hold the line at a minimum and to recapture when possible. I get how hard this is going to be. I was not born yesterday. I just want to see the commitment from the leadership. To date, I have been listening and have not heard it. That is where my angst comes from. Also, I do not like the tactics of accuse, dismiss, and belittle. I know it is temporarily effective, but does not show long term success.

I do not like the idea of a flow as it resets DCI costs, which IMHO is a unseen consequence which would once again promote outsourcing. I see that as a short term fix that has long term issues.

As I stated a few pages ago, AMR and CAL's position economically is not about Scope.

We do agree, and as you can see I am reasonable, or at least I try to be

acl65pilot

I think his point is that the pilots are there, just not on our list. We need them on our list, performing departures as a DAL pilot. I do not care how we get there, but half steps will generally kill the long term goal.

acl65pilot

One thing I am not sure we see eye to eye on is that RJ lift does not take from the mainline and vice versa. Why did we sign a LOA to up the 88 ALV to take flying away from DCI? They are directly related to each other. There are a finite amount of cities that Rj's and 88's 9's and 73's can serve.

alfaromeo

Sorry, it wasn't well written. What I meant was that if tomorrow all 70 and 76 aircraft were now flown by mainline pilots, there would not be some mass order of 737's or MD-90's or any other jets that are currently on mainline. We would have a bunch of new Delta pilots, but they would be former Compass, ASA, etc. pilots.

In other words, if we win this scope battle, it will not create some mass of new upgrades for pilots currently on our list.

acl65pilot

Now that I totally agree with. I am not sure where this notion of recapturing scope equating to more large narrow body jets. It is about the jobs that are there today and are off our list. We just want to in-source existing jobs.

Bluto

So anybody remember how long it usually takes to get the AE results?

tsquare

4 to 6 weeks

acl65pilot

Well since it is Monday it could be mid week.
Basically when they get around to it.....

FedElta

Anyone else having problems logging on to Dlnet????

satchip

That's the whole idea! They would be new Delta pilots not new whatever pilots. We are all former something. It doesn't have to happen overnight as that would cost more and would bring more seniority and list merger questions into play. But can't the MEC commit to a position that as DCI lift contracts expire they should not be renewed? That any new aircraft purchased or leased by Delta should be flown by Delta crews? Those statements alone would go along way towards easing the minds of the masses. Those goals seem to be totally in line with what you are espousing.