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Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1381811)
Southwest becoming more and more legacy like...
Southwest Airlines ground employees picket at Dallas Love Field | Airline Biz Blog |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1381903)
I just don't think 80 (or anyone) deserves to be lectured by the likes of slowplay. And for slowplay to basically out a guy's anonymity is a foul. There must have been what, less than 10 guys hired at 80's age they year 80 was hired? Look. 80 is a leader. He adds value to the dialogue and raises everyone's game. He certainly doesn't need (or probably want) my endorsement, but I'm in his corner. Has he been flying for 35 years? Apparently not. While some would see that as a negative, I don't. We need fresh perspectives, not a stale "because that's the way we've always done it" approach. slowplay is just a hatchet man. He has no creativity, and merely propagates others' ideas in return for a cushy gig with minimal work and maximum graft. He wins when he's dragged others down to his level in the gutter. Regrettably, I allowed myself to be suckered in, and for that, I apologize. ALPA conducts business in the actual commercial marketplace, not the elementary school playground. Well my Dad - no your Dad - no I've done, no I've seen, no he can't talk to me like that, no he can't have that cushy job. |
Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1381909)
And all of this is the reason that none of what you do here makes any difference to ALPA -
ALPA conducts business in the actual commercial marketplace, not the elementary school playground. Well my Dad - no your Dad - no I've done, no I've seen, no he can't talk to me like that, no he can't have that cushy job. How's the MIL leave count? Still right around 200? ;) |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1381675)
...We used to sit reserve with a two hour call out all month. You often had 6 straight days of that. We never considered it duty sitting around with the only obligation to answer the phone if it rang. It might be a safety hit but massive is over playing it a bit. Besides 14/22 is not the new rule. I will concede it was a bit stressful at times watching a football game while oncall that was going down to the wire. You never knew when you might get called and miss a great finish!
My recollection is that we had to be available twice a day for a brief window of SC (I think 2 hours in the morning, 2 in the evening), but I wasn't in an international category at that time. Then again, in international categories, as they stood then, you could pretty much plan your sleep and your activities to coincide with a slew of predictable departures within a fairly narrow time window. Assuming you flew at all: there was a time when Reserves were used for contingencies, not as unscheduled lineholders. How much would you actually fly, in those days? Perhaps you could more precisely describe those circumstances where you sat 24-hr SC, six days a week, and were called out frequently, at very different hours of the day, at Delta? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just asking. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1381711)
I guess that's appropriate since you were barely in kindergarten when sailing was hired here - but instead of poking fun you might want to listen and learn. You'll suffer through less self-inflicted head shots (like you did yesterday). Or you can buy into and spread the hyperbole. Either way, Clint said it best:
http://arrogantass.files.wordpress.c...ff-my-lawn.jpg a) Correcting his weak sense of humor, whereby his picture is just not funny, but yours is hilarious? or b) Truly offended by a perceived anti-geriatric vibe from his picture, and trying to come up with some offensive anti-adolescent reply? |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1381903)
I just don't think 80 (or anyone) deserves to be lectured by the likes of slowplay. And for slowplay to basically out a guy's anonymity is a foul. There must have been what, less than 10 guys hired at 80's age they year 80 was hired?
Look. 80 is a leader. He adds value to the dialogue and raises everyone's game. He certainly doesn't need (or probably want) my endorsement, but I'm in his corner. Has he been flying for 35 years? Apparently not. While some would see that as a negative, I don't. We need fresh perspectives, not a stale "because that's the way we've always done it" approach. slowplay is just a hatchet man. He has no creativity, and merely propagates others' ideas in return for a cushy gig with minimal work and maximum graft. He wins when he's dragged others down to his level in the gutter. Regrettably, I allowed myself to be suckered in, and for that, I apologize. Of course I see the whole debate a little different. Even since I have I been here (much fewer years and cookies than slow) SC has got nothing but better. From being assigned 24 hours domestic at 3am after an off day, 2 Long windows (short call) windows a day etc to what we have now essentially 12 hour max with 2 hour commutable windows.... Yeah.. Do we all want less? (SC). Of course. But to say that anybody is propagating doing things the way they have always been done is ridiculous. Things have improved and if you think you can wave a purple wand or a DPA lanyard at these problems and instantly solve them, you are saddenly mistaken. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1381920)
Actually it has, considering several people here have been elected reps. There is certainly some influence that comes from the exchange and discussion of ideas...
Seems to me the folks on here that are/were elected reps or volunteers are more telling us how it is rather than listening to what their constituents have to say. I had more respect for our reps before I started seeing the way truth is bended and numbers made fuzzy in attempts to always promote ALPA. Never once admitting that its fallible. Upsetting to say the least. I want reps representing pilots not ALPA and management. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1381903)
We need fresh perspectives, not a stale "because that's the way we've always done it" approach.
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Real question here. Saw another trip go out as "reserve only". How is this legal under the RUO? Also, using ATL reserve pilots to cover Msp trips? Shouldn't there have been a green slip, white slip or at least using in base reserves for trip coverage. This has always seemed fishy to me. Check out ATL M88B 147 for today and help me figure out where I am wrong pls.
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All this talk of Short Call, how about a longer call out window for long call? Are their detriments to extending the call to say 18 or 24 hours? With a slight extension in the call out time, I think a majority could easily sit long call at home without risk of getting burnt.
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