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forgot to bid 04-25-2013 08:07 PM

Or Gunships?

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ACL was photo bombed by a beluga whale

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Anybody know if that's Ferd in the foreground? or background?

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cesnacaptn 04-25-2013 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1398293)
If I remember correctly, that is a Jesse stock photo. Boomer, that's a copyright infringement.

I was being serious about my how do you tell what is struck work questions. I don't know why noone fielded that ball. For example, in the absolutely unlikely event DAL pilots went on strike and DAL rebooked a passenger on USair, is that flying struck work?

No. The USair pilots would not be flying struck work. You actually want this to occur. It puts pressure on your company to negotiate a deal.

I don't know the answers to any of these types of questions. I remember when Comair was on strike, we called the DALPA control center and got the all green for each flight. However, as time has gone on, the question has become cloudier.

While the RLA hamstrings us in many regards, not knowing clearly what is or is not struck work is an issue we have assisted in creating. Without the CREDIBLE threat of a strike - a strike that actually has teeth and stops the company in its tracks - we really have no big gun. IOW, we are at the mercy of the company's negotiators.

So, we have ceded the big gun. Scabs are a thing of the past. Strike threats have no teeth. I could negotiate against us with that backdrop.

Flying struck work is any increase in capacity on any city pair by a branded carrier (e.g. Delta or DCI), whether it be an increase in frequency or upgauging. As Boomer pointed out, the waters are muddied by multiple carriers flying DCI on the same route. By definition, if one carrier goes on strike, no other Delta or DCI pilot should fly any increase in capacity on said route. Pilots can continue to fly the route as scheduled before the strike.

So here's the bonus question:

If Delta goes on strike, can AF increase capacity on JFK-CDG and carry DL's pax?

Can AS add flights on SEA-ATL and carry DL pax?

Jay5150 04-26-2013 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1398419)

So the groom's got a 30-30, which is a great gun to be sure, but the bride's rockin' a .50 cal? Guess we know who wears the overa....uh, pants in that marriage.

Bucking Bar 04-26-2013 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1398359)
I think SWA bought Air Tran just to shut it down and eliminate a low fare competitor, and get their International routes, and their computer res. system. We know they didn't want their 717's...so...why buy them, if not to eliminate them?

Yep .... .

Bucking Bar 04-26-2013 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1398402)
Wow! From another thread. BB, what are you trying to imply here?

Did Delta test the Pan Am Express pilots? How about Northwest pilots? Did Tigers vet those small jet flying Fed Ex pilots?

Unity before bigotry. Those Pinnacle pilots are already flying Delta pax.

Fixed your quote.

Point was, in mergers the qualifications of the merged pilot groups have been assumed. Tigers had some pilots without degrees. They retired from FedEx. Pan Am Express ATR pilots retired from Delta as 777 Captains.

What was your point in bringing that post over here and mixing it up with ShyGuy's post? What is the point of your screen name?

NERD 04-26-2013 05:28 AM

ShyGuy's point was right on. More than 50% would not make it through the hiring process. Just because they are flying Delta, Ual, AA whoever's pax, does not make them qualified. There is not a regional out there that hires with the same quals or average quals as any major. Two different expectations by the hiring departments and you know that. Trying to compare Nwa or FedEx pilots with pinnacle or any regional is a far stretch. Gotta get kid to school...



Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1398509)
Fixed your quote.

Point was, in mergers the qualifications of the merged pilot groups have been assumed. Tigers had some pilots without degrees. They retired from FedEx. Pan Am Express ATR pilots retired from Delta as 777 Captains.

What was your point in bringing that post over here and mixing it up with ShyGuy's post? What is the point of your screen name?


tsquare 04-26-2013 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1398408)


I guarantee you he doesn't know what THAT ^^^^^^^ is... :D

Bucking Bar 04-26-2013 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1398524)
ShyGuy's point was right on. More than 50% would not make it through the hiring process. Just because they are flying Delta, Ual, AA whoever's pax, does not make them qualified. There is not a regional out there that hires with the same quals or average quals as any major. Two different expectations by the hiring departments and you know that. Trying to compare Nwa or FedEx pilots with pinnacle or any regional is a far stretch. Gotta get kid to school...

NERD,

Don't know what would make you happy. ShyGuy is trying to make himself feel better about going to Virgin America while it looks like his former co workers have an in to a Delta job. He's a little miffed and understandably so.

In 1999 we heard a lot about how unqualified ASA and Comair pilots were. Delta maintained it's standards while remaining divided. The result of that division was half of Delta's block hours being outsourced and Delta pilots getting furloughed while ASA and Comair hired pilots, including Delta pilots. ALPA lost members and relevance as a result of having lost focus on unity.

Personally, Mesaba is my least favorite pilot group (and I'll keep my reasons to myself) but, professionally I realize that if Richard Anderson creates an alter ego who can bid on our flying in 2015, then we are better off merging with them than letting them run as an alter ego. Although they would receive a heck of a windfall, our more important concern is unity. If they are performing Delta flying (my work) then I want them on my list. Lets take a stroll down memory lane, starting with the Captain of this fixed gear, PT6 powered, 90 knot bug smasher.


I'm just stating the historical truth ... in airline mergers the pilots of the merged carriers are usually assumed to be qualified, even if the hiring standards were vastly different. Sure, some pilots have enjoyed a windfall as a result of their incredible good luck. In this business being well prepared is important, but once you are in the seniority system, labor is labor.

tsquare 04-26-2013 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1398524)
ShyGuy's point was right on. More than 50% would not make it through the hiring process. Just because they are flying Delta, Ual, AA whoever's pax, does not make them qualified. There is not a regional out there that hires with the same quals or average quals as any major. Two different expectations by the hiring departments and you know that. Trying to compare Nwa or FedEx pilots with pinnacle or any regional is a far stretch. Gotta get kid to school...

I think these kinds of posts are a little harsh. Most of the regional guys are good guys that are just trying to get to where you and I are right now. The guys that fly for the Blue Angels wouldn't get those seats right out of flight school either. It takes time and experience. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I find it interesting that there is so much animosity, and alot of it comes from former regional guys (I have no idea whether or not you are one)

Cut the kids some slack. (Except for JC Lawson)

GunshipGuy 04-26-2013 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1398423)

What? That was only at the 3 hour point. The label says see a doctor if it lasts for more than 4 hours.


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