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41 years... and still on the 737. Why would someone subject themselves to that?? GF |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1397657)
This is not a defense of scabs:
My understanding of the CAL scab situation is that there were true picket line crossing scabs who crossed early. Then there were scabs that fought the good fight, lost everything and crossed much later (a year or more) to put food on the table. Then there was a third group who were told by ALPA - at some level- MEC, LEC or some other level to return to work and they were labeled scabs as well. I don't know many CAL pilots except a hunting buddy. He says CAL pilots generally made peace with their scabs (in at least the 2 later groups). When I was at UAL, there was no peace made with the scabs. It was wierd for a fresh off AD guy (me) to deal with it, mostly because the whole (union/airline) thing was so new to me. Today, with codeshares and sub-contractors, some union and some non-union, it seems to me that flying struck work is a very cloudy picture - to be taken on a flight-by-flight basis. Even then it is unclear to me how to tell if someone is flying struck work. I think that's exactly how Management wants it, so it's 'unclear' to us who is flying struck work, which basically makes a Strike completely inefective. That, and they pay the A holes in DC a lot more than we do! Frank Lorenzo was (is) big buddies with Bush 1. They're both from Houston. Lorenzo was one of his biggest "Campaign Contributors". Now that "Corporations are People Too"...do you think any jack wad Senator in DC looking for Re Election Contributions is going to vote "Our Way"? How much money does the A4A give them, vs. ALPA PAC? And how much is Emirates going to give them? I've been an ALPA PAC giver since I was off probation, but I can do simple math. A4A gives about 10X what ALPA PAC gives. Emirates can give 10X that. I'm thinking Cabotage is coming, and sooner than any of us want to think about. Good thing Delta has about 14 Code Share Partners around the world. I can see me finishing out my career on the 737 too...:rolleyes: What? Wuzat for us? Hu? |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1397588)
Thanks for the edit 80K!
You know when it comes to technology, I'm a comfortably numb caveman! ;)
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1397663)
As soon as I could get my mom to take me to the music store, I bought a Pink Floyd CD. His tone.... just amazing.
BTW, James Taylor describes Dave as "my favorite guitar player." Taylor sets up his Olsons really well too. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1397672)
Easy, their hearing is gone!
GF I hope you get back to MCO soon, or I get up there! Maybe we can divert to BDL on the way to DXB.:eek: :D Let's see...hmmm....Bradley...that begins with a B, so that's got to be in the Jepp Alternates at... Windsor Locks! :rolleyes: |
Timbo
Pretty good, just finishing up a SCEL trip, day off there made for a wine tour. Yeah, I have to get to FL soon. It's actually warming up in the Great White North, 70 at BDL today. GF |
While we are talking tone. Anyone think this resonates with Richard Anderson's Pinnacle excitement in the Q1 2013 Earnings Call ?
CONTENTIONS ALPA ALPA contends that the wholly-owned airline affiliates of Trans States Holdings, Inc. (TSH), TSA and GoJet, constitute a single transportation system for representation purposes for the craft or class of Pilots. ALPA argues that the two Carriers: share common facilities; have a common main hub; are both wholly-owned by the same individual, Hulas Kanodia; and have overlapping management. ALPA additionally asserts that labor relations at the two Carriers is handled jointly in many respects as evidenced by the facts that: TSA Pilots were offered employment at GoJet with pay and longevity based on their length of service at TSA, up to a maximum of five years; some Pilots who are currently working for GoJet are still on TSA’s Pilot seniority list and are officially considered on a “leave of absence” from TSA; recruitment and issuance of flight passes are handled by the same persons for both Carriers; and employees have been hired by one entity and transferred to the other without additional interviews. ... we really did not need to have this problem in 2015, but I think we are going have to deal with it then. By that time it will have a lot of momentum behind it. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1397719)
I still can not believe ALPA allowed another pilot group to do a deal with our management.
2015's goin to be interesting ... but, "RJ's were last decade's problem." Only if you accept that we lost, we are giving up and an RJ seats 100 people and can fly to South America from Atlanta. I hope they have a long term vision for how all this outsourcing and mainline scope dilution is going to benefit pilots someday. I just wish they would better articulate that vision. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1397657)
This is not a defense of scabs:
My understanding of the CAL scab situation is that there were true picket line crossing scabs who crossed early. Then there were scabs that fought the good fight, lost everything and crossed much later (a year or more) to put food on the table. Then there was a third group who were told by ALPA - at some level- MEC, LEC or some other level to return to work and they were labeled scabs as well. I don't know many CAL pilots except a hunting buddy. He says CAL pilots generally made peace with their scabs (in at least the 2 later groups). When I was at UAL, there was no peace made with the scabs. It was wierd for a fresh off AD guy (me) to deal with it, mostly because the whole (union/airline) thing was so new to me. Today, with codeshares and sub-contractors, some union and some non-union, it seems to me that flying struck work is a very cloudy picture - to be taken on a flight-by-flight basis. Even then it is unclear to me how to tell if someone is flying struck work. CAL was made up of a lot of different groups who hated each other. But despite their differences they came together... to hate Coex. :D |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1397719)
While we are talking tone. Anyone think this resonates with Richard Anderson's Pinnacle excitement in the Q1 2013 Earnings Call ?
Based on Mr. Anderson's comments Pinnacle's going to be an alter ego of Delta. Before you write your rep to complain consider not a one of them objected to ALPA's actions (previous Reps) and our contract is silent on another pilot group effectively wearing our uniforms (with minor changes), being handled by our agents and even maybe being staffed with Delta Flight Attendants. Behind the cockpit door we all look the same ... just they're a heck of a lot cheaper to pay. ... we really did not need to have this problem in 2015, but I think we are going have to deal with it then. By that time it will have a lot of momentum behind it. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1397719)
While we are talking tone. Anyone think this resonates with Richard Anderson's Pinnacle excitement in the Q1 2013 Earnings Call ?
Based on Mr. Anderson's comments Pinnacle's going to be an alter ego of Delta. Before you write your rep to complain consider not a one of them objected to ALPA's actions (previous Reps) and our contract is silent on another pilot group effectively wearing our uniforms (with minor changes), being handled by our agents and even maybe being staffed with Delta Flight Attendants. Behind the cockpit door we all look the same ... just they're a heck of a lot cheaper to pay. ... we really did not need to have this problem in 2015, but I think we are going have to deal with it then. By that time it will have a lot of momentum behind it. |
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