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Rather B Fishin 05-14-2013 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1409017)

^^^^^^^^^ AMEN!!!!
That was the worst trip in the system. Great job!

DogWhisperer 05-14-2013 08:17 AM

Tank you...tank you bery much...


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NuGuy 05-14-2013 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1408947)
And when that resolution passes, then gets killed by MEC inaction or outright ignoring of the policy, you'll say: "hey, the process worked. You tried, your idea didn't carry the day. Lets move on." I know because you said this exact thing when the flight pay loss resolutions were ignored. That's the problem acl.

Carl

Heyas Carl,

Maybe that was true in the past, but don't forget, over half the status (voting) reps on MEC turned over March 1st.

It's a different group, in more ways than one. There are a LOT of junior guys on the MEC now, and I'm pretty sure they don't have any problems expressing themselves.


As for the bucket issue...we don't work on absolute seniority for practically anything...there are almost always restrictions to seniority (ALV/caps, in-base/out-of-base restrictions, freezes, open board/PCS runs, swap-board, etc). Furlough is the one thing that I can think of that IS absolute.

Let's take a look at just one...the PCS run times. More PCS runs = LESS ability to use seniority, because that means less time that a senior guy might have a chance to look at a trip and enter a bid.

A "real time" open board would be the ultimate "seniority nullifier", because it would be first come, first served. On the other hand, look at what fNWA had, which was ONE open time cycle a day...at midnight.

BTW, efforts to change that at NWA were met with that EXACT argument..."it wouldn't allow senior guys to look over the flying"

So the question isn't "should we let seniority rule?", because we've already decided, as a pilot group, that we don't, at least not absolutely. The question should be "how much balance do we want?"

In the case of PCS runs, we decided that more convenience to tweak schedules was more important that seniority. I'm sure the bucket issue will be decided the same way.

Nu

TeddyKGB 05-14-2013 08:50 AM

FWIW, a single AXXX rotation has not survived a single PSC run all month and they have all been PW awards by pretty senior B's

Roadkill 05-14-2013 09:50 AM

Does anyone know why it takes so long to post the B schedules? The As are posted fairly quickly... then we wait for days for B. The only difference I can see between them for speed of computer run is the "avoid employee # xxxxxx", which is just one more line of avoid code for the computer to zip through, along with all the other avoids it's already doing.

So... why is it always days later for the Bs?

Going2Baja 05-14-2013 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1409098)
FWIW, a single AXXX rotation has not survived a single PSC run all month and they have all been PW awards by pretty senior B's

VERY True. I've not received a GS in the 2+ years on the ER in LAX. I've been in and out of RES but never even close. I thought I watched the Open Board a lot....There are sharks way more into it than me.

Baja.

Ed Harley 05-14-2013 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1409135)
Does anyone know why it takes so long to post the B schedules? The As are posted fairly quickly... then we wait for days for B. The only difference I can see between them for speed of computer run is the "avoid employee # xxxxxx", which is just one more line of avoid code for the computer to zip through, along with all the other avoids it's already doing.

So... why is it always days later for the Bs?


I was told that ALPA negotiated it that way as a subtle f you to the junior guys.

But seriously, I'm not seeing anything out yet. No A's or B's. They must be realizing that they don't have enough pilots to cover the summer schedule. Should have hired a few months ago.

Going2Baja 05-14-2013 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 1409146)
But seriously, I'm not seeing anything out yet. No A's or B's.


Most, if not all A's are out via backdoor....strange they don't have the "June" Link up as of yet.

Baja.

80ktsClamp 05-14-2013 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1409017)

Oh, man.... that's the truth!

80ktsClamp 05-14-2013 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1408989)
If anything, it seems like most of the complaints that I have heard over the past couple of years is that the reserve system favors the senior guys too much as it is. Any feedback I have heard from *most* guys on reserve is that they would like to see the buckets reduced (example: bucket one only goes to RAW 0-60 instead of the current 0-80).

This resolution attempted the opposite. It wanted to give even more to the senior guys, and hose the junior guys even more.

Not to worry. I can promise you that the company is never going to go to a pure seniority/no-bucket system absent a huge giveback on our part elsewhere. I for one don't see that happening.

The current 80 threshold for bucket 1 is ridiculous. I had 3 days carryout from a 4 day trip, flew 2/3 days last week, had recurrent the last 2 days, and am still in bucket 1 and first up for flying.

So, of course now im flying 2/3 days on call this round as well. I'll finally break into bucket 2 with this coming trip.


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