Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1414051)

That Captain would have still flown that exact same schedule.

Except with the new PWA he did it for almost 13% more in hourly rate and a GUARANTEED 10 hours MORE (nearly $2,000) than under the old PWA. (Not including improvements in vacation and training application/pay for RES pilots with the new PWA).

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1414209)

Typical tactic out of the DALPA apologist playbook: when able, always change the subject by accusing your enemy of something they've never said.



You also know pilots who made their decision to vote YES because the negotiating committee and the MEC administration had so badly bungled it by agreeing to a TA without even consulting their bosses on the MEC, that they didn't think they stood a chance in going back to management. Yet you don't even mention that. Another typical tactic of the DALPA apologist: isolate your enemy and make them think their thoughts are not shared by anyone except other malcontents.


What you've stated here is nothing more than the obvious DALPA desire to take ONLY what management is already willing to give...then use terms like "results oriented."



Meaningless in this discussion. Is this the new DALPA measuring stick for their effectiveness as a bargaining agent? Young pilots want to be at Delta...thus we MUST be doing a good job?



Totally ignores the fact that we had tremendous leverage in the last round, and DALPA squandered it. DALPA showed themselves to be completely inept and afraid negotiating. DALPA took the first offer before Section 6 negotiations even began. Spin it however you want sailingfun, but you're defending the indefensible.



Translation: Don't hang out with anyone that doesn't agree with DALPA.



Translation: the only friends my DALPA handlers allow me to have is other DALPA handlers.



Really funny coming from the likes of you sailingfun. You've done almost nothing but stand upon your self-erected pedestal with your claims of being on the inside and talking at us unwashed types in a consistently arrogant manner.

The wisdom of the ages never changes. Weakness is rarely rewarded. You rarely get what you deserve and generally only about half of what you fight for. Fight for nothing, and you get nothing.

Carl

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1414217)

Sorry about the seniority list Carl but getting rid of Dalpa wont change it.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1414217)

Sorry about the seniority list Carl but getting rid of Dalpa wont change it.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1414209)

Typical tactic out of the DALPA apologist playbook: when able, always change the subject by accusing your enemy of something they've never said.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1413910)

The NMB made it very clear how they would view our negotiations. They made it very clear that any release would be based on the reasonableness of our proposals and they would be bench marked against the industry standard.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1413910)

There is simply no question in my mind that had we turned down this contract we would still be working under the old contract at the amendable date of the new contract.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1413922)

P.S. When we started the process in 2007 of rebuilding from the 1113 contract my pay rate was 156 dollars an hour. The CPI inflation calculator shows I would need that rate from 07 to be 174 dollars an hour today to keep up with inflation.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1413926)

Before Contract 2012, Delta's reserve pay lagged the industry and lagged what NWA had before our merger. Now we are generally industry standard.

Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1414236)

Carl, what year were you hired? Curious what seniority gets someone 74 CA