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Green Slippers?

Ha. Time to bring in the 747-400 haters. Let's see how many steak dinners get offered up to you if we get them because of the impossibility of that rumor.

Wait! I see what you did......


I heard the exact same thing. :D

Yes - absolutely a concession.

Scoop

Guam based...

RR engines as well. I'd be surprised if those -400s do not go BCF route.

Either way they will be scheduled for delivery during next contract negotiation, shortly after MRJs show up to fill the gaps in our AS carveout; has anyone else noticed the good news is perputually down the road?

Hope requires pacification. :D

I said that wrong.

Pacification requires hope.

Typical technique of the DALPA apologists. No attempt at defending their indefensible actions, just say that everybody else does it too. Well that cynical technique doesn't fly here. The vast majority here put out their honest opinions and many back it up with evidence. A very few purposely go out and misinform. That distinction belongs to the sailingfun's and the alfaromeo's, etc...and you.

Carl

And the seventh short call will be implemented only when FAR 117 is implemented, which reduces the short call time to 14 hours. For domestic guys, yes it is a concession. For anyone who could fly anything outside the CONUS, it is an improvement, as they can currently sit short call for 24 hours--then fly a full duty day to Europe!

Old system: six short calls; for anyone subject to potential international flying, the short calls could be scheduled at 24 hours each for 144 potential short call hours...AND for international ops, time spent on short call does NOT count against any duty day limits.

New system: seven short calls at 14 hours each equals 98 potential short call hours, AND all time spent on short call is included in a pilot's duty day, regardless of whether he is flying domestic or international operations (no more 18 hours on short call, then you get to fly an allnighter to SA or Europe).

DISCLAIMER: FAR 117 will be very complex and I am simplifying some things. However it seems to me we are better off in the aggregate. The bottom line is that there will not be any carveouts for international vice domestic, and time spent on call WILL count towards duty day regardless of where you may or may not fly.

Woah, Herk. Slow down. :)

The improvement international guys got for short call was already in effect -- mandated by the FAA.

Under the new system (contract) we gave them the extra short call day -- the 14 hour day was ours already & written in stone because of FAR 117.

6 short call days is something we could have kept.

The extra short call day was a concession. Plain and simple.

Hay, Delta Pilots-
Quick question...
On your 757's that are ETOPS and fly International with 3 man crews, what is your crew rest facilities like?

Thanks
Motch

PS> Hope I'm not hijacking your thread...

Seat 1A and it sucks!!!