Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1413743)

There's no way in my category that I'd get anywhere close to ALV with the pathetic productivity of our trips. I wouldn't honestly mind the extra money though since I'm in base on a trip, or sitting short call, 18 days a month. I'd rather make ALV+15 - if for no other reason than to make more than you - because I'm fairly certain you aren't getting ALV+15.

You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?

And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).

What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.

Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1413756)

Stressing....can I take Prilosec while flying? Might have to call in sick.:D

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1413743)

There's no way in my category that I'd get anywhere close to ALV with the pathetic productivity of our trips. I wouldn't honestly mind the extra money though since I'm in base on a trip, or sitting short call, 18 days a month. I'd rather make ALV+15 - if for no other reason than to make more than you - because I'm fairly certain you aren't getting ALV+15.

You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?

And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).

What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.

Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1413801)

Well, I guess we know who the president of the lower the bar club is.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1413650)

Maybe, but I think Eagle has a lot more to be worried about by this than we do. The only firm(ish) orders are for I think 40 E175's, the rest are options, and they are openly admitting the options are for future ACMI contracts. DL I think still has some room in the existing numbers to allow some growth in that sector, but their big score will be inking an expanded UAL contract and especially going big into the final feeder frontier before they go IndyAir and implode down the road...large RJ's for AA.

Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1413816)

It's 100 firm orders and another 100 options. 40 will start being delivered April 2014 for a 12 yr CPA with United. They will be flown by Skywest Airlines. I don't think any of these are intended to be flown for Delta.

Originally Posted by check essential (Post 1413817)

the guys who think we get plenty of time off have the votes.
The guys who think $150,000 is plenty of money have the votes.
Probably their dad never made that much. They are able to live comfortably and conservatively in a nice middle class neighborhood where they already make more money than most of the people living around them and they don't see why we should rock the boat excessively or take undue risks in pursuit of more.

Its them we need to reach.

We need to convince those guys that we are not just blue collar labor. We have skills and assume responsibilities comparable with top surgeons or lawyers or engineers and we deserve comparable compensation.

We need to figure out a way to enlighten those guys who are satisfied with our current pay rates and work rules. If we don't, then alpa will continue to be successful in managing our expectations and convincing us that we aren't worth $300,000 and the company couldn't afford it even if we were.