Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Delta (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/)
-   -   Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta.html)

Scoop 05-21-2013 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1413631)
Embraer books 'milestone' SkyWest deal worth up to $8.3 billion

Skywest's big order is discouraging, because most likely ALPA has promised management who has promised Skywest who has promised Embraer that they will find a way those can be flown for us. Above and beyond the myriad other 76ers that already are.

"We'll just promise them the time value of beginning the hiring process, or something like that. Don't worry, they are an easily swayed group. What, last time? Oh, they've already forgotten about that."




Really?? Don't you think that if DALPA even started to think about loosening Scope the DPA (or something similar) would be voted in very quickly starting a ALPA death spiral?

Our days of Scope concessions are over and I sure hope that DALPA also realizes this.

Scoop

scambo1 05-21-2013 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1413673)
You do realize that the 7th short call only takes effect when FAR 117 does, which will be long after this summer is over?

Or do you just shoot first, and read the contract later?

Is that the only fault you find in his post?

horrido27 05-21-2013 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1413574)
Like they said, it's seat 1A - our 757s do not have lie-flat seats. The BusinessElite equipped 757s (ETOPS) are more spacious than most domestic BusinessClass, but don't recline as far as our 767 BusinessElite seats. We get a little foot rest and a partial curtain, but it is carefully engineered to not block out the light from the galley. ;-) The curtain goes from the wall behind us, behind the seat, and ends about as far forward as your ear on the right side. I am 6' 00, and it is not a comfortable rest seat for me. Because you are right up against a bulkhead, there isn't a lot of footroom to work with.

The seat besides can be occupied, it is supposed to be the last seat in BusinessElite that is occupied, so they can put upgrades in that seat. You have to climb over the person sitting next to you to get in and out, not easy but doable.

The range on the 757 is max at 8+30 or so, so the time in the seat is about 2.5 max. Those airplanes have IFE, so you can watch TV/movies if you want as well. The 757 rest seat is the least popular of the rest seats, that's for sure.

Thanks so much for the info. I had been given some contradicting into but figured I'd get the real scoop here.

Our 75-2's are all LieFlat equipped but we've been having a contractual battle over seat 4B. Contract states it will be the last seat occupied in the whole aircraft, not the last in BF.
(Probably a screw up from the company!)

Just wondering what everybody else was doing. And I wasn't aware that you didn't have LieFlats in your whole fleet yet. It does make for a nice rest~

Your fleet shows the LieFlats as being staggered. That should help with the climb over!

Always
Motch

Oh, and we range from 1:30 to about 2:30 rest.. depending on flights~

Wasatch Phantom 05-21-2013 03:57 PM

Speaking of seat 1A...

As a domestic puke I live in a parallel, and very different, universe from the international "SkyGods" and their business class deadheads complete with bread sticks and cognac.

At roughly 6'4" I'm not vertically challenged, and a week or so ago I deadheaded in seat 1A on a 50 seat RJ. Next to me was a diet-challenged behemoth of a woman who (honestly) must have weighed 250 lbs.

That flight can only be described as sheer misery.

The domestic deadheading rules in our contract suck. I'm sorry, but there's no better way to put it. Why can't DALPA get us reclining exit row aisle seats or economy comfort aisle seats or first class? I really don't think that's asking too much.

As an aside: My last trip I was paired with a MSP based F/O (absolutely Great guy, BTW). I was *****in' about that aforementioned deadhead and he pointed out the seat belt extensions were labeled FATSO. I said "No Way". He said "Absolutely, the sewn-on label says "FAA TSO"". I got a big chuckle out of that...

forgot to bid 05-21-2013 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1413664)
+2

.....filler...

+3. .......................................

buzzpat 05-21-2013 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1413699)
Speaking of seat 1A...

As a domestic puke I live in a parallel, and very different, universe from the international "SkyGods" and their business class deadheads complete with bread sticks and cognac.

At roughly 6'4" I'm not vertically challenged, and a week or so ago I deadheaded in seat 1A on a 50 seat RJ. Next to me was a diet-challenged behemoth of a woman who (honestly) must have weighed 250 lbs.

That flight can only be described as sheer misery.

The domestic deadheading rules in our contract suck. I'm sorry, but there's no better way to put it. Why can't DALPA get us reclining exit row aisle seats or economy comfort aisle seats or first class? I really don't think that's asking too much.

As an aside: My last trip I was paired with a MSP based F/O (absolutely Great guy, BTW). I was *****in' about that aforementioned deadhead and he pointed out the seat belt extensions were labeled FATSO. I said "No Way". He said "Absolutely, the sewn-on label says "FAA TSO"". I got a big chuckle out of that...

I agree Wasatch. It shouldn't be incumbent upon us to have to log onto DeltaNet, make sure we're listed (most times we are not), list ourselves and then change seats within 24 hours of our check in. I do it out of habit now because I've been screwed so often and am not even listed most of the time. Surely the company can fix this. We are on duty and have to make these DH connections to operate. Why are we the ones shouldering the burden? Scheduling sure isn't doing it.

GunshipGuy 05-21-2013 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1412828)
It's probably too early. Call a few days out and they'll have you set up.

Got a call back today. I was told the information on the bottom of next month's schedule was in error ("Don't know how that got there.")...even had the wrong hotel. I'm glad it was easily corrected and a courtesy call was made. Maybe it would have fixed itself...maybe not. But this is definitely one benefit I'm happy to have in the new PWA.

XtremeF150 05-21-2013 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1413674)
Really?? Don't you think that if DALPA even started to think about loosening Scope the DPA (or something similar) would be voted in very quickly starting a ALPA death spiral?

Our days of Scope concessions are over and I sure hope that DALPA also realizes this.

Scoop

I guess this is in the eye of the beholder because my LARGEST gripe with the last contract doesn't fall in the pay rates or the RSV rules but with the sparkling NEW (not used) 76 seat aircraft we allowed into our fleet. Is this any different if they come and say we will park the remaining 50 seaters if you give us 25 - 90+ seaters. Those 50 seaters wouldn't have been here come 2025 when many of this pilot group reach retirement age but those "NEW" 76 seaters will be here for many years to come. You don't like the economy of jets you screwed this pilot group with....fine get rid of them. They would have found a way to park them. That was likely their plan B if we would in fact have actually stood our ground.

Absolutely warranted a no vote from me :(

XtremeF150 05-21-2013 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1413705)
I agree Wasatch. It shouldn't be incumbent upon us to have to log onto DeltaNet, make sure we're listed (most times we are not), list ourselves and then change seats within 24 hours of our check in. I do it out of habit now because I've been screwed so often and am not even listed most of the time. Surely the company can fix this. We are on duty and have to make these DH connections to operate. Why are we the ones shouldering the burden? Scheduling sure isn't doing it.

Makes you wonder how the regionals got their schedulers to actually book their DH's for them right? Why does mainline expect us to book our own DH's? Always wondered about this.

SailorJerry 05-21-2013 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1413656)
Fella,
Carl has far more credibility and goodwill built up here than you or I can ever hope to achieve.

It's best if you go back to mainlining your ALPA/company kool-aid (same flavor, I know) and enjoy your 7th short call and ALV +15 this summer. Oh, and your reworked summer bid periods (thanks, Scoop).

Maybe you should go back to insisting the company can't require us to disclose our medical records from our personal physicians. But wait! They can.

There's no way in my category that I'd get anywhere close to ALV with the pathetic productivity of our trips. I wouldn't honestly mind the extra money though since I'm in base on a trip, or sitting short call, 18 days a month. I'd rather make ALV+15 - if for no other reason than to make more than you - because I'm fairly certain you aren't getting ALV+15.

You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?

And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).

What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.

Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:47 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands