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Remember how they had to give out 5-day GSs for those trips? I don't know why they weren't savvy enough to do what the 88 schedulers do: break the trip up into 2-days and 1-days. I completely understand why we made this concession and remember vividly the YES voters making the argument for why this was so important to the company on the domestic side. [/HEAVY :rolleyes:]

TenYearsGone

05-21-2013 06:03 AM

I am having the most difficult time swapping my reserve days around for June (Capped Days)I havent seen it this bad in years. Anyone have any strategies?:o

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TenYearsGone

05-21-2013 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hiredgun (Post 1413259)

Rumor for today: A buddy of mine at Cathay says the rumble there is DAL looking at six of their 747-400s. Anyone got more intel to keep the rumor alive? :D

^^^^^^A caffeine injection to keep the DAL troops motivated to rally for an exhausting summer flying schedule or upcoming contract relief:D

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Herkflyr

05-21-2013 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 1413180)

Well.... Under the new system, they can use a reserve for this exact scenario---and then still add an additional 15+ hours to their schedule.

True...and that same reserve will get a reserve guarantee of between 72-80 hours forever, whereas before in the "better" system it was perpetually 70 hours.

Also, if that reserve has vacation, now that vacation counts against his FULL limit. In the "good old days" he could be scheduled up to the ALV around his vacation.

There are pros and cons to everything. You can't just mention one without the other (that applies to any side of an argument).

Carl Spackler

05-21-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1413126)

Carl, again read your contract, next Jan as I posted your rate is 266 per hour plus 8 an hour international and 40 an hour into your DC. Total compensation 314 an hour. 314-178 equals a increase of 136 dollars an hour. If you were to credit 1000 hours a year that's a increase of 136,000 dollars a year. The only varible is NWA may have had a few dollars an hour international pay. I know several whale pilots. They are all doing much better then you.

Just more apples to oranges comparisons designed to misinform rather than inform. The only question is why your DALPA handlers choose to behave this way. Shameless.

Carl

forgot to bid

05-21-2013 06:24 AM

Captain I'm flying with is on.reserve, this trip.we are on puts him at 82 hours with 3 days of reserve left after we get done. He's finally done though at 82.

ALV15+++

Mem9guy

05-21-2013 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1412841)

Here's another good one for you: 2 day RSV GS is now worth a min of 9 hours vs the old way of 4 hours - thanks to the ADG. RSVs average 8% more pay BEFORE you factor in the new rates. RSV has changed, some things are better and some are definitely worse. The group as a whole decided the entire package was better as a whole and so here we are.

One area that I feel that reserves are getting shorted is in the application of the 4:30 rig. If you do a 2 day rotation as a GS on reserve and day one was an off day and day 2 is a reserve day, they do not apply the rig to day one and you only get actual block as GS pay for that day. I think the intent of the rig is for you to never credit less than 4:30 for a day of work. In this case they are getting around it.

Carl Spackler

05-21-2013 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1413216)

Carl's increase in pay is $30,000 more than my entire taxable W2?

Except that's not my pay increase. That may be right for a small select group of very senior green slippers, but certainly not for the rest of us.

My W2 went down for the first two years after the merger. Even though the rates were higher than NWA's, the change of reserve guarantee from NWA's 75 hours to DAL's 70 hours and the much lower line values at DAL left us with lower annual pay. It wasn't until late 2010 that I made the same money at DAL that I made in 2007 at NWA. Not complaining, just the facts. Sailingfun knows it too, he just has an agenda to misinform.

As I've stated in a previous post, I'm up a total of about 50K per year since the merger.

Carl

RonRicco

05-21-2013 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1413356)

Sailingfun knows it too, he just has an agenda to misinform.

Carl

At least we can count on everyone one else here to be objective, agenda less , spinless, and to never ever put any extra jam on the toast in trying to make their point.

hockeypilot44

05-21-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1412815)

Guys,

The ability of the company to take a reserve pilot just shy of being full and flying him 14:59 above the ALV is indeed a concession. I just don't think it is that big of a deal and not worth all the angst it is given. Also, other parts of reserve have been improved.

If you guys want to complain, lets talk about 30 day months in the summer. This basically gives the company a 3.33 % productivity increase from all Pilots - lineholders and reserves. ALV + 15 will only affect a small portion of reserve pilots.

Yes, it will suck if you are hosed on reserve, but guys were randomly getting hosed on reserves since Orville and Wilbur first flipped a coin and Wilbur got a line and Orville got reserve (Ironically Orville actually got the first flight on the next attempt) this is not new to our new reserve system.

Bottom Line:

ALV +15 is a concession but reducing the busiest months of the year to 30 day bid periods is huge.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents.

What about the extra short call we will be able to sit per month for no extra pay? Is that a concession? I consider it to be.

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