Part 117
 

I haven't been on APC for a while, so I apologize for trampling on what is probably already a dead horse, but I was reading ALPA's guide to Part 117. I'm amazed at how many "unforseen circumstances" excusals (and other loopholes) seem to be have wormed their way into what was originally a very straightforward rule.

And if you're West Coast-based, and you're doing an early AM flight back, just suck it up: you haven't gone through 60 degrees, so you're not tired.

Legal to start, legal to finish, Part Deux.

So when do the CX 747-400's start to arrive?:cool:

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What airline are you really flying?

Newark Gear-Up Landing Raises Same Old Question: What Airline Are You Really Flying? - Forbes

If you bought your ticket on delta.com and the airplane is painted like Delta, you flew Delta. That's what Delta wants you to believe so at some point we ought to believe it
We are Delta corporate and then there are franchises. Just like McDonalds or ADT or what have you.

Its what they want and what we've allowed.

I really hate clowns.

I don't know why I hate clowns so much but it probably.has something to do with that time when I was a kid and we went to the circus and a clown killed my father.


-Deep thoughts on SNL

The best thing that could happen(and i though had a chance after colgan) would be for congress to force the mainline partners to be accountable and liable for their regional partners. It may just force the economics back in the favor of inhouse pilots.

Typical tactic out of the DALPA apologist playbook: when able, always change the subject by accusing your enemy of something they've never said.

You also know pilots who made their decision to vote YES because the negotiating committee and the MEC administration had so badly bungled it by agreeing to a TA without even consulting their bosses on the MEC, that they didn't think they stood a chance in going back to management. Yet you don't even mention that. Another typical tactic of the DALPA apologist: isolate your enemy and make them think their thoughts are not shared by anyone except other malcontents.

What you've stated here is nothing more than the obvious DALPA desire to take ONLY what management is already willing to give...then use terms like "results oriented."

Meaningless in this discussion. Is this the new DALPA measuring stick for their effectiveness as a bargaining agent? Young pilots want to be at Delta...thus we MUST be doing a good job?

Totally ignores the fact that we had tremendous leverage in the last round, and DALPA squandered it. DALPA showed themselves to be completely inept and afraid negotiating. DALPA took the first offer before Section 6 negotiations even began. Spin it however you want sailingfun, but you're defending the indefensible.

Translation: Don't hang out with anyone that doesn't agree with DALPA.

Translation: the only friends my DALPA handlers allow me to have is other DALPA handlers.

Really funny coming from the likes of you sailingfun. You've done almost nothing but stand upon your self-erected pedestal with your claims of being on the inside and talking at us unwashed types in a consistently arrogant manner.

The wisdom of the ages never changes. Weakness is rarely rewarded. You rarely get what you deserve and generally only about half of what you fight for. Fight for nothing, and you get nothing.

Carl

We absolutely did have leverage like we've never had.

I don't know why we always sell ourselves short. We've got to ball up and make a stand. Even without a "once in a lifetime" airplane opportunity, the company needs something from us. They need to present the perception that "all is well" from a labor standpoint.

Look what happened at American when their pilots balled up--without any illegal action--and simply did their jobs by the numbers. They got a better deal. And all the while their frequent flyers and investors (and thus, management) were tweaking.

That "all is well" image of Delta is a marketing gold mine, and management absolutely knows it's a key component of a bright future. RA wants to make Delta an "investment grade" stock. Ain't gonna happen with labor strife (i.e., a pizzed off pilot group). The happy image/perception is a valuable asset, and we provide it. Or we can not provide it.

We do ourselves a disservice when we undervalue our contributions to this image.