Don't think going to UPS will work out for you - from APC:

UPS

Not hiring. 44 pilots on furlough.

UPS has hired pilots into UPS's non-union management pilot workforce with IPA pilots on furlough. Not currently hiring management pilots

BS. Most voted yes, because though it was not the deal they wanted, it was cash in their pocket.

FWIW, I voted No. Wasn't good enough, but 62% did, and its your Contract.


I know you hopping mad at DALPA. Good, talk to your Rep in DTW. He probably agrees with you. There are probably plenty that agree with you around the system.

You think talking to your Reps is a waste of time? Well e-mail em, have everyone email em. Give them hard evidence that the silent and no so silent majority want a better deal the next time one comes around. Change their philosophy, I try to every chance I get. Why? Because if they hear from many of us on many of the issues, they are going to see another side of it. If they get nothing, they assume that everything is A OK.

Tilting at windmills on here feels good, but the Reps probably do not spend a ton of time reading this. On top of that, its 40 of the same posters. To make a real change in the way business is done, you need to be active and present. Stating they will not listen to you and its not worth your time is a cop out. You and others preach that DALPA and ALPA need to put effort in. Well, given the fact that may of the donut crowd do not contribute or provide feedback anymore, there is no counter balance to things. For there to be the change you desire, it can not be one or two pilots running and in most cases losing every year. This malcontent quadrant of the DAL pilots need to reengage and force the issues in each and every election, and on each and every issue. Until that happens, the mountain is not going to move too far.

Is the bolded opinion or fact?

I can't say it is fact as a certainty because I'm not on the MEC and my reps as firm supporters of electing Captain Roberts have not been approached, but I consider it more than opinion from a fairly reliable source. Given the history of the players and the political division present over the ousting of O'Malley it's entirely plausible.

I want Caplinger to hold fast to the promise to give it 2 years. An election is going to end up costing millions of dollars of dues money. We've been told by DALPA to expect dues refunds going forward and I don't want to fund a war fighting a lost "one child policy" cause. I want that dues money back in my pocket.

Isn't TC already a year past that promise?

First off i would never say go to another place, secondly DALPA needs to hear and listen to all sides so make sure you stay engaged and let them know how you feel. If the TA had been turned down I would have supported the majority in trying to get a better contract. I have issues with saying Cargo carriers are in our industry ( i understand both sides) but you did conveniently pick one of the two highest paid. DL would be 3 out of 21 on the cargo side so there is room for improvement.

You don't know because you say aren't involved in the MEC and your reps don't know but you decided that it's plausible to put it out that you think there's a recall effort under way W.T.F?

That dues refund is less than pennies on the dollar compared to continuing on the negotiating path we are on now. Keep the change please.

I didn't say my reps don't know I said they weren't approached. I heard the ousted regime was muttering recall before Roberts even took office. Are you really surprised? I guess we'll find out if they are or they aren't - one of those self critiquing, self validating rumors.