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Originally Posted by tim123
(Post 1331218)
The fleet booklet on deltanet says 49 in service with 7 more on order.I wonder did the 65 number get reduced?
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1330804)
ALFA, you make some good points and I agree it at the very least bad karma to look down upon where one came from.
On the other hand there is a unique culture among Delta pilots that is unmatched at the regional level. What do I know, between the shrink and the interview panel, somehow the end result seems to be a fairly homogenous group regardless of background. That unique "culture" is simply not a given on the regional level where there are a lot more outliers... Cheers George Culture protected. I don't see the big deal. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1330973)
If you actually knew what you were talking about., you would know that there is a side letter that bypasses the published requirements so certain senior members of their ranks will get a shot that they don't deserve. That is my beef with this. If DL changed their requirements for everyone, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1330876)
While I agree that we should lend a hand, I think, at the most basic level, that people are gun shy about this whole thing because we were circumvented in the negotiation of it. We could have risen as a high and mighty pilot group together and said "let's bring them all here and give them shelter, but only if XYZ". And I assume XYZ would look similar to what we have now.
What my concern is, is that we're going to bypass exceptional applicants in order to interview the PNCL pilots. Which if they're so great - they should have gotten hired - not me. Now - sure - you can say they'll be held to the same standard and they may all fail, but I think we're concerned about complications from selecting a substandard product because we have to. But I haven't seen their resumes so I can only assume they're still at PNCL by choice, not because of rejection. Even though 85% of them saw a massive concessionary agreement as a good enough thing to vote yes on. I'm sure I'll have some great bridge program FOs someday. But one bad one will sour the image of the whole bunch. What better way to mitigate that issue than by including the opinions of 12000 people who like to number 2 all over themselves. And if you're that high and mighty to be adamantly against this because they're "RJ pilots" google "two girls one cup". |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1329768)
Allow me to contrast what is happening with what the Comair pilots fought for (and lost). Weren't the ASA pilots involved? I recall you supported the RJDC. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1331256)
It could also mean that delta will just have to interview a hack of a lot more pilots to get what they want too. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1331254)
Has anyone seen it? The rumor is it says "flow" and factually this agreement is not about flows. If there is a agreement that talks about flows it may be for those that are part of the mesaba flows. Who knows, and that's the point. If you or anyone has a copy of this send it to me.
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1330771)
THAT'S MY BID!!!!! And I still get nothing... :(
Typical Barn grad... copying someone else's paper. T this is for you and your wife. |
The military guys probably do not get the angst the civilians are feeling about the affirmative action program for entitled Pinnacle pilots. For the guys who served, sent their resumes to five airlines and went with the first who hired them, let me ' splain.
Most of the civilian pilots paid a huge amount of money to obtain a college degree and obtain the number of hours to make them competitive in the job market. Avoiding college would have meant getting to Delta perhaps five, or six, years earlier (if Delta were hiring). Throw in the post 9/11 interruption, the result of going to college was getting hired in 2009 instead of 1999. Getting to Delta was a 20 year path for my friends. Some friends are still completing the requirements. To have those requirements suddenly change because some f-NWA manager sees an opening to cut regional pay a little is no small let down for those who have put in their time in the school house and delayed their flying career to do so. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1330455)
ALPA and Delta management timed this Pinnacle Bridge Agreement strategically, through a narrow window of opportunity ... over the Holidays, during a change in Delta MEC Administration and before the Rep Elects are to take office.
You think Delta told the PCL management and the judge presiding over the bankruptcy case to time the 1113 motion to "thread the needle" because some new reps got elected? New reps get elected every year. Is there any evidence that any negotiation or litigation has EVER been "timed" to thread the needle on such things?
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1330455)
Not just Delta, but all mainline carriers may be forced out of our union as our express carriers pull up a seat and negotiate with our management for our flying.
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