Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1331383)

I'm guessing you didn't get why the B-scalers in the 80s were upset, either. Moving it off property doesn't change anything.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1331488)

The Pinnacle pilots are in a terrible spot due to no fault of their own, their management was incompetent and left them with two terrible choices. If they get a hand up to get a job at Delta to relieve a portion of that suffering then I support it. It just seems to be the human thing to do.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331497)

Do their senior employed Captains earning nearly $100,000 a year deserve more relief of their suffering than do ALPA members who have already lost their jobs?

The Delta contract gives preference to ALPA members who have lost their jobs. The Pinnacle Bridge agreement reorders this to give preference for a limited number of slots to people who already have jobs.

As for an "Angel" in High School, the Air Force picked Kelly Flynn out my High School homeroom class over me :eek:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1331503)

Anyone know if this "Pinnacle Bridge" thing is a two way street?

If DAL decides to furlough, do the Delta guys get Guaranteed Jobs at Pinnacle, even if they don't have a degree from Gulfstream Academy? :eek::D

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1331310)

I smell burning lithium and an emergency AD...

JALs grounded now too.

So... Will UA follow suit?

This puts a lot of pressure on Boeing, might this be a good opportunity to snag some 777's or 748's for crazy Eddie prices? ---just dreaming of course

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1331506)

Flt 54 ATL-LOS last night actually went ATL-JFK, then JFK-LOS this morning with a JFK crew. Anyone know what happened there?

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1331513)

Check in iCrew, under Flight Status, sometimes they have remarks that will explain what was going on.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1331488)

If you haven't been paying attention, I will recap. I support the Pinnacle pilots bridge agreement and I welcome them to Delta. I don't think they are unworthy of being Delta pilots and if there are a few that don't fit into Delta's culture then Delta's HR department will make that decision and not me. They have been doing that for many, many years without my help and I am sure they can struggle on without me.

My point was that I am tired of hearing guys that got their experience in the civilian side tell me I don't understand because military guys have it so easy. Somehow they assume that I graduated from high school and then an angel came down from heaven and handed me a diploma, a set of military wings, and my Delta uniform. They say I can't understand the angst of working through the civilian ranks to get to Delta.

Flying in the military was difficult and dangerous. The washout rate in UPT is close to 40% or at least it was when I was there. Within three weeks of me showing up at my pilot training base there was a fatal accident. We had about 150 pilots at the last base I was assigned to and there were four fatal accidents in 2.5 years. My life was spent at 100 feet above the ground and 480 KIAS doing high g maneuvering in terrain. I understand angst in the flying world.

I don't support the contention that some military pilots have that civilian pilots are weak and unworthy. I also bristle at the suggestion that I had it easy because I went into the military. Finally, I don't understand how settling old grudges between RJ pilot groups becomes the top priority of the Delta MEC.

The Pinnacle pilots are in a terrible spot due to no fault of their own, their management was incompetent and left them with two terrible choices. If they get a hand up to get a job at Delta to relieve a portion of that suffering then I support it. It just seems to be the human thing to do.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1331506)

Flt 54 ATL-LOS last night actually went ATL-JFK, then JFK-LOS this morning with a JFK crew. Then tomorrow Flt 55 goes LOS-SJU-ATL and swaps crews in SJU. Anyone know what happened there?

With all the "overstaffing" the company couldn't find a 7ER guy in ATL to work ATL-LOS? :rolleyes: