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contrails 01-16-2013 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1332187)
Interesting analogy. When Mr. Moak signs this agreement, it will be the equivalent of the US President ignoring the US Constitution, the Congress and the Supreme Court, and writing law. Then executing that law. If that happened, the House would impeach the President and the Senate would convict and remove him. If the Congress did not remove him, it would mean we have a dictatorship and the government must be overthrown.

Years ago, I was roundly criticized here for referring to our ALPA President as "Kim Jong Moak." I called him that because I saw the beginnings of dictatorial behavior. When he signs this agreement, he will prove my point. Now, will our reps impeach him? It's doable because I'm sure FDX and UAL/CAL are mortified at what they're witnessing. If we don't/can't impeach him, we need to secede from this "union." Not overthrow it, secede from it.

Carl

+717 to that!!!

Bucking Bar 01-16-2013 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1332187)
Interesting analogy. When Mr. Moak signs this agreement, it will be the equivalent of the US President ignoring the US Constitution, the Congress and the Supreme Court, and writing law. Then executing that law. If that happened, the House would impeach the President and the Senate would convict and remove him. If the Congress did not remove him, it would mean we have a dictatorship and the government must be overthrown.

Carl


80ktsClamp 01-16-2013 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1332189)
The revenge of the angry red book guy comes out again. Look at your heroes at USAPA getting run over now by events a new union will not help you in your quest. Just wait until two years from now when the fences come down, you will be able to hear carl scream all the way from Florida.

You must be saying that Moak won't sign the PCL Bridge Agreement? If so, that sure would be good news for ALPA members everywhere...

As to your last point, Carl is plenty senior enough to hold whatever he wants...

Carl Spackler 01-16-2013 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1332173)
President Moak is one of the most expert political operatives I've ever witnessed. He is the master of the fait accompli.

Every dictator both past and present shared that "skill". They were all ultimately defeated.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1332173)
Our new Reps don't take office until March. There is little they can do to fix an agreement which was ratified today.

They may not be able to change a legally binding agreement, but they can make Mr. Moak pay for it with his job. Our reps need to mobilize the FDX and UAL/CAL camps and remove Mr. Moak immediately. Anything less is to admit our irrelevance.

Carl

Bucking Bar 01-16-2013 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1332205)
Every dictator both past and present shared that "skill". They were all ultimately defeated.

They may not be able to change a legally binding agreement, but they can make Mr. Moak pay for it with his job. Our reps need to mobilize the FDX and UAL/CAL camps and remove Mr. Moak immediately. Anything less is to admit our irrelevance.

Carl


Bucking Bar 01-16-2013 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1332205)
They may not be able to change a legally binding agreement, but they can make Mr. Moak pay for it with his job. Our reps need to mobilize the FDX and UAL/CAL camps and remove Mr. Moak immediately. Anything less is to admit our irrelevance.

Carl

We will see. Once mainline carriers understand that ALPA will facilitate express bargaining with their management, it could happen.


hornetsnest 01-16-2013 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331464)
Folks like me who post a lot (~ 6,700) ...It seems you ( 42 posts )

I hate to break this to you, but having a lot of posts on a web board is not something people with a life brag about. Step away from the keyboard and regain your perspective.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331464)
deliberately post in such a way as to introduce false issues to distract from the malfeasance

I asked a simple question about your previous positions on an issue (so that I may compare it to your present day positions).
You respond with hysterical indignation. It seems something is making you a little uncomfortable...or perhaps you are trying to distract the readers from something? Was there a question you didn't answer? I don't recall seeing your answer about contributions?


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331464)
We hope ALPA and Delta will both be here long after our brief time on the stage has passed. The more important issues involve the governance of our union so that it remains an ongoing entity.

Pssst...I don't want to burst your bubble but you're not on a stage. Neither am I. We're on an anonymous web board.
I do somewhat agree with you about what is important (I actually am not 100% convinced that maintaining the union as an ongoing entity is an important goal in and of itself - the union is after all a means to an end). On the other hand, if you think posting here is a contribution to what is important, you're deluding yourself. You're posting on an anonymous web board. Virtually nothing positive comes from these boards. On their best day they are a waste of valuable time.

The reason I post rarely (43 now!) is because I don't want to get into any discussion that never ends. So why do I post at all? Not because of some secret political allies. Sometimes I feel that your little clique of APC junkies is doing is exactly what people accuse the DAL MEC of doing: Group think. I think you guys need someone to challenge you on your mutual reinforcement of whispers, rumors and paranoid speculation. That's the only time I post (think about the moniker). Otherwise, I read this site once or twice a month because I think it's a depressing and pointless time suck. My low post count is a source of pride to me as your seemingly endless musings are a source of comfort to you.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331464)
So, what office do you currently hold on behalf of our association?

I have no office.
What office is held by the people pulling your string? Or are they [something]-elect?

ImTumbleweed 01-16-2013 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by hornetsnest (Post 1332250)
I hate to break this to you, but having a lot of posts on a web board is not something people with a life brag about. Step away from the keyboard and regain your perspective.



I asked a simple question about your previous positions on an issue (so that I may compare it to your present day positions).
You respond with hysterical indignation. It seems something is making you a little uncomfortable...or perhaps you are trying to distract the readers from something? Was there a question you didn't answer? I don't recall seeing your answer about contributions?



Pssst...I don't want to burst your bubble but you're not on a stage. Neither am I. We're on an anonymous web board.
I do somewhat agree with you about what is important (I actually am not 100% convinced that maintaining the union as an ongoing entity is an important goal in and of itself - the union is after all a means to an end). On the other hand, if you think posting here is a contribution to what is important, you're deluding yourself. You're posting on an anonymous web board. Virtually nothing positive comes from these boards. On their best day they are a waste of valuable time.

The reason I post rarely (43 now!) is because I don't want to get into any discussion that never ends. So why do I post at all? Not because of some secret political allies. Sometimes I feel that your little clique of APC junkies is doing is exactly what people accuse the DAL MEC of doing: Group think. I think you guys need someone to challenge you on your mutual reinforcement of whispers, rumors and paranoid speculation. That's the only time I post (think about the moniker). Otherwise, I read this site once or twice a month because I think it's a depressing and pointless time suck. My low post count is a source of pride to me as your seemingly endless musings are a source of comfort to you.



I have no office.
What office is held by the people pulling your string?

I bolded you comment. To let you know there are MANY lurkers (observers) here. This is an excellent source of unfiltered information which affects us.

And two honest questions for "hornetsnest".

1. Are you claiming you do not work for, nor are you associated with the DAL MEC in any way, shape, or form, other than you are a simple member?

2. Do you receive FPL for union work?

Inquiring minds want to know.

zoomiezombie 01-16-2013 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1332269)
I bolded you comment. To let you know there are MANY lurkers (observers) here. This is an excellent source of unfiltered information which affects us.

And two honest questions for "hornetsnest".

1. Are you claiming you do not work for, nor are you associated with the DAL MEC in any way, shape, or form, other than you are a simple member?

2. Do you receive FPL for union work?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Golly we all got chastised a few weeks back for congratulating ACL and Nu and then told we had to keep their anonymity and pretend we don't know who they are in spite of there being years of posts on here including the 2009 election for ACL but now here we are again attempting to out people who some other people think may be ALPA soldiers?

So we gots the outgoing DTW guy; the incoming DTW guy; the former DTW guy who allegedly has a new job; the existing ATL guy; a new ATL guy; a lurking NYC guy and who is next to be outed in an anonymous board?

APC sekret rule zero.zero: Don't like the discussion? Tell everyone he's an ALPA guy on FPL! I'm beginning to think there's an APC vault letter with everyones real names :(

forgot to bid 01-17-2013 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1332188)
Just what are you saying about my wife and kid?

Are you just like Hornets Nest and all up in here alleging people posting stuff that isn't real?

Well, it's either fake, or, we should be extremely jealous of you.

Which we don't do around here. We replace jealousy with anger.

:D


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