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forgot to bid 01-17-2013 12:45 AM

Carl is back!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...a_dl_744_2.jpg

DeadHead 01-17-2013 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1332208)

The guys who sings Gangnam Style?

Pineapple Guy 01-17-2013 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1332165)
When Mr. Moak signs the Pinnacle agreement, he will be showing these new insolent reps (and the insolent pilots they "represent") that ALPA national decides what will be in your contract...period.

Really? What is changing in our contract with this agreement? And while you're at it, perhaps you can show me (since no one else has) where in our contract it sets out our minimum acceptable hiring standards or where it shows who Delta is allowed to negotiate with to perform flying NOT in our contract.

TIA.

scambo1 01-17-2013 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1332361)
Really? What is changing in our contract with this agreement? And while you're at it, perhaps you can show me (since no one else has) where in our contract it sets out our minimum acceptable hiring standards or where it shows who Delta is allowed to negotiate with to perform flying NOT in our contract.

TIA.

Nice (extremely) shallow attempt at diversion from the issues. Admin manual skirted, meet and confer skirted, dictatorial leadership from the top...Why do we have DALPA?

Lee has a vision...Really?

sailingfun 01-17-2013 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1332361)
Really? What is changing in our contract with this agreement? And while you're at it, perhaps you can show me (since no one else has) where in our contract it sets out our minimum acceptable hiring standards or where it shows who Delta is allowed to negotiate with to perform flying NOT in our contract.

TIA.

All our DCI airlines negotiate with management for flying. Every single one and their unions are often involved in the process.

sailingfun 01-17-2013 04:16 AM

[QUOTE=scambo1;1332377]Nice (extremely) shallow attempt at diversion from the issues. Admin manual skirted, meet and confer skirted, dictatorial leadership from the top...Why do we have DALPA?

Lee has a vision...Really?[/QUOTE

What section was skirted?

Bucking Bar 01-17-2013 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1332379)

What section was skirted?

Section 40.

forgot to bid 01-17-2013 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1332360)
The guys who sings Gangnam Style?

yes it is.

oh wait no, i think they're two different people. but i can't fault you for thinking they were the sane person. they look similar, and they wish death to American soldiers just the same. As well as wish death to the daughters, wives, etc of American soldiers.

the only difference really is the crazy nut running North Korea wouldn't have put it in a song:

"Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
Kill them all slowly and painfully"
-psy

but hey, its a catchy dance so all is forgiven and he was invited to perform at the White House Christmas tv special. so remember, just as long as it goes viral, you're good with us.

scambo1 01-17-2013 04:45 AM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1332379]

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1332377)
Nice (extremely) shallow attempt at diversion from the issues. Admin manual skirted, meet and confer skirted, dictatorial leadership from the top...Why do we have DALPA?

Lee has a vision...Really?[/QUOTE

What section was skirted?

Section 40, at a minimum:

e. Consult with Negotiating Committees of ALPA pilot groups within the extended system
prior to commencement of negotiations, as provided in subsection 3 below.
f. Communicate with non-ALPA pilot groups within the airline family on scope issues.
g. Be available to consult with Negotiating Committees during negotiations concerning
scope, and receive updates on status of scope negotiations as provided in subsection 3
below.
h. Report regularly to the Executive Council, Executive Board and Board of Directors and
recommend changes to ALPA policies as it deems necessary.
3. Prior to commencement of any bargaining for any ALPA pilot group within a
mainline/ex press system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the
Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review
opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines. The
committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they
are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply.
a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal
to the airline, the applicable Negotiating Committee will report to the Scope
Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have
not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA’s scope goals and
guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the
system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee,
which can recommend changes following consultation with the Negotiating Committees
involved.
b. The applicable Negotiating Committee and ALPA pilot groups within the
mainline/express system will develop in conjunction with the opening proposal agreed
reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which
will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope
negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absence of consensual agreements
concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to
Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of
all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the
Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with
recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.

Pineapple Guy 01-17-2013 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1332388)
Section 40.

How? That's a big section, but if you're talking about pre-coordination prior to negotiating potential scope provisions, what scope provisions were negotiated that conflict with our PWA?


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