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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1367821)
Found it on the first page...
A potential widebody order, huh? :) Is that from the same guy who said, "If this T/A passes, we may need to hire in the 4th quarter of 2012" :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1367793)
Don't forget per diem tax discussion!
Boobies. Lots and lots of boobies. Newk have us the secret to life and then j29 erased it. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1367826)
Is that from the same guy who said,
"If this T/A passes, we may need to hire in the 4th quarter of 2012" :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1367804)
It is not going to get better any time soon. I have heard from multiple sources that we are not far off from raising the retirement age again. What's another 2 years of stagnation + at least 1 more year of no hiring? It could be 2016 before we see any movement. 2019 to see any real movement.
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Originally Posted by Ball Breaker
(Post 1367823)
On the bright side, we have Virgin Atlantic JV to look forward to. Who wants those boring Atlantic crossings anyways. And, it will now be a lot easier to find a parking spot in MSP. Scratch that, PCL will fill them:mad:
The same PCL that is loosing 100+ aircraft worth of flying in the next 2 years?:confused: |
Originally Posted by Dc8co
(Post 1367777)
From an earlier post by Sailing:
The union and the company both costed the jobs out at almost the same number. The company has looked at the contract and the coming FTDT changes and plans zero adjustments in how they man the airline. You state we have lost as many as 1000 jobs. Where are the massive displacements to support your numbers? The last two bids had a substantial net increase in Captains jobs. The bid to be posted next month should have a net increase in Captains of well over 100 jobs. How do you explain that if your numbers are even remotely right? Put some numbers up, show us where you get 1000 or more jobs lost. 83 Net Captain positions with numerous NB aircraft on order. Glad that I didn't save the good champagne for this bid! Pretty Lame Scoop Sailing and another guy from the Dalpa forum,Curly, are in the top 1000. They mean well but they are so out of reality... |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1367844)
The same PCL that is loosing 100+ aircraft worth of flying in the next 2 years?:confused:
Delta just signed a deal with non-ALPA Republic for a dozen fresh 50 seaters with new engines, paint and maintenance paid for by us. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1367825)
Found it on the first page...
A potential widebody order, huh? :) I'm going to add that I think this lends a little weight to the 747-400 rumor. Mainly, because it seems like they are talking about near term AE's to staff for the order. Is there a chance we could take delivery of 777's within the next year or two? Running some back of the napkin numbers I think the bloodbath is going to be worse than forecast. Without waterfall MD's 82 DTW F/O's get bumped out of base to either ATL or NYC. Of the 73 320/DC9 A's, according to my rep, only ~25 are commuters, so there is possibly 50 A's going to WB F/O and more waterfall MD's that will eventual land in ATL/NYC. It's only a net loss of 30 pilots in DTW, but the demographics could cause a lot of mayhem system wide (on top of existing mayhem) I guess well have to see the SD/JG take on previously discussed future AE's negating MD's off this bid before training (color me skeptical) Anyone want to take a guess how many lose their 8.5% pay raise? |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1367825)
Is there a chance we could take delivery of 777's within the next year or two? Dumb and Dumber- So you're telling me there's a chance - YouTube |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1367838)
Could you name those sources other then forums. The people working in DC say its not even being talked about or on the FAA's radar. There is no mention that ICAO is considering any change. Where are you hearing its about to happen?
Sailing, We don't need a change to age 65 to stagnate or move backwards - We have proven we can do that on our own. In the summer of 2001 (pre-911) I was displaced off the panel on the 727 when the LAX 727 base was closed. Not to worry I was displaced to the 737B in SLC and was projected to be about 1/3 from the bottom of the the seniority list. Pay was about 150. 12 years later I am still a 737 FO making about 140. In over 12 years I have moved almost 1/3 the way up a NB category list -its been a great 12 years. :D It is what it is. Not really anybody's fault, but I am getting tired of hearing great things are from senior guys. Whats worse is that for the last 5 years I (and hundreds of other FO's) have actually been moving backwards. :eek: Retirements and even early retirements don't really help the bottom guys but can be a windfall for the top guys: Hypothetical numbers: Top 25% - Retire early. 2nd Quartile - are now the top 1/3 Windfall 3rd Quartile - now the middle 1/3 Slight improvement Bottom Quartile - now the bottom 1/3. Still on the bottom. We all get 5 extra years. Captains get 5 more years as a Captain. FO's get 5 more years as an FO. Not the Captains fault, but don't tell me how great DAL is for the Pilots. The frustrating thing is we keep being told - its getting better, wait for the next bid etc - its getting old. Like I said, it is what it is. Oh well - we will get em next time. Scoop |
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