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Timbo 02-28-2013 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1361718)
I did, and they say I'm legal because its intnl. But FAR 121.481(d), which they also said I'll be operating under, says :

(d) No pilot may fly more than 32 hours during any seven consecutive days, and each pilot must be relieved from all duty for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during any seven consecutive days.''

As I said, no R on my schedule in the past 7 days, and either flying or on reserve all that time and no 24 hour layover or break...


Call DALPA office, ask for either Scheduling or Contract Admin. That's what they are there for, and lucky for you, it's not a weekend or holiday so someone will be there today and tomorrow, M-F, 9-5. They have gotten me out of some sketchy re-routes and assignements.

Every Delta pilot should have this number in their phone, I have even called them from the cockpit to get an answer: 1-800-USA-ALPA

Timbo 02-28-2013 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1361703)


That's the exact same face she made when those 5 cars blew past her on the last lap!! W.T.F. was the leader thinking, not coming down to block?

3rd to 8th in about 5 seconds....:rolleyes:

flyallnite 02-28-2013 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1361760)
You are required to have 24 hours rest on international in 7 days just like domestic. I have had my pickup and departure delayed in Europe to comply. Long call reserve may count as rest for international. Call ALPA.

OK, short answer is that Whitlow doesn't apply to intnl flag ops, therefore time spent on reserve if not used IS considered rest... again international ops only... This will change with the new FARs...

Check Essential 02-28-2013 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1361763)
I honestly don't know how many of you have time to post here. If you believe even 10% of what you post here you must be on the Internet most of the day job hunting. It would be the only responsible thing to do if you have a family and if you truly believe what comes off your keyboard.

Here's the thing:
You've obviously come to terms with the "new normal". You've accepted that 9/11 and all the bankruptcies have permanently reset the airline piloting profession to a lower economic level. That's great and in some ways I envy your contentment. You must be a better investor than most of us. But,
Some of us were still holding onto hope that this profession would someday soon be restored to the pre-9/11 standards of compensation and quality of life.
This last contract was just very disappointing in that it pretty much confirmed that the people who run ALPA have also accepted the "reset" paradigm.
They jammed through these work rule concessions and what were basically "cost of living" wage hikes when many of us were hoping for far more. We kinda thought the corporation's emergence from bankruptcy would also mean the pilots' emergence from our bankruptcy contract. When it didn't happen it was tough to take.
The posts on this forum simply reflect that frustration. Let's face reality. We're not seeing any real gains in our purchasing power as a result of our "raises" and the seniority list remains stubbornly stagnated. Despite your apologist posts I think its pretty clear to most guys that the new work rules and all these JVs and codeshares have allowed the company to postpone any hiring or significant advancement. You lose some credibility when you deny that.

Purple Drank 02-28-2013 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1361763)
I honestly don't know how many of you have time to post here. If you believe even 10% of what you post here you must be on the Internet most of the day job hunting. It would be the only responsible thing to do if you have a family and if you truly believe what comes off your keyboard.

Yes, yes. Because DALPA's waterboys are the only oracles of fair, full, and accurate information here. You've gotta be ****ting me.

Heaven forbid some folks question the status quo in an attempt to improve our lot.

Say, any word on when DALPA will be releasing FPL details? I'd like to see how much of our money you get to come here an insult us.

sailingfun 02-28-2013 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1361788)
Yes, yes. Because DALPA's waterboys are the only oracles of fair, full, and accurate information here. You've gotta be ****ting me.

Heaven forbid some folks question the status quo in an attempt to improve our lot.

Say, any word on when DALPA will be releasing FPL details? I'd like to see how much of our money you get to come here an insult us.

How about this. I will give you my name. If you can show where I have ever received one dime of FPL money I will pay you 100,000.00 dollars. If you can't show that then you pay me 5000.00 dollars. Is the bet on?

Imapilot2 02-28-2013 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1361687)
Salad?

It's what Food eats! :D

Hey Vegans, my food sh!ts on Your Food! :eek:


That's some funny sh!t right there!:D

dalad 02-28-2013 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1361788)
Yes, yes. Because DALPA's waterboys are the only oracles of fair, full, and accurate information here. You've gotta be ****ting me.

Heaven forbid some folks question the status quo in an attempt to improve our lot.

Say, any word on when DALPA will be releasing FPL details? I'd like to see how much of our money you get to come here an insult us.

I know Sailing, and he has never gotten a dime of FPL. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, period.

Imapilot2 02-28-2013 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1361788)
Yes, yes. Because DALPA's waterboys are the only oracles of fair, full, and accurate information here. You've gotta be ****ting me.

Heaven forbid some folks question the status quo in an attempt to improve our lot.


Say, any word on when DALPA will be releasing FPL details? I'd like to see how much of our money you get to come here an insult us.


Do you know why this line or something similar is over half of your posts? You are consistently condescending with your responses. You don't question the status quo you only write micromanaged complaints. It isn't an attempt to improve, it is an attempt to constantly complain. I love to here an opposing position, they definitely help balance the ship.....when done constructively they are effective and people want to listen.

sailingfun 02-28-2013 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1361780)
Here's the thing:
You've obviously come to terms with the "new normal". You've accepted that 9/11 and all the bankruptcies have permanently reset the airline piloting profession to a lower economic level. That's great and in some ways I envy your contentment. You must be a better investor than most of us. But,
Some of us were still holding onto hope that this profession would someday soon be restored to the pre-9/11 standards of compensation and quality of life.
This last contract was just very disappointing in that it pretty much confirmed that the people who run ALPA have also accepted the "reset" paradigm.
They jammed through these work rule concessions and what were basically "cost of living" wage hikes when many of us were hoping for far more. We kinda thought the corporation's emergence from bankruptcy would also mean the pilots' emergence from our bankruptcy contract. When it didn't happen it was tough to take.
The posts on this forum simply reflect that frustration. Let's face reality. We're not seeing any real gains in our purchasing power as a result of our "raises" and the seniority list remains stubbornly stagnated. Despite your apologist posts I think its pretty clear to most guys that the new work rules and all these JVs and codeshares have allowed the company to postpone any hiring or significant advancement. You lose some credibility when you deny that.

We both want the same things. The difference between me and you is that after a lot of time in this industry I am a realist. You believe that all we had to do was act tough and we would have been given a much better contract. This inspite of the fact the unions that tried this approach acheived nothing. You ignore the realities of the industry and political environment. You also ignore the gains we have made since chapter 11. They are some of the largest and most rapid gains ever in the airline industry. Contrary to the posts here we have not given up jobs since the 1113 contract and work rules are improved. Dalpa on here is painted as a utter failure yet somehow managed to produce what many believe is a industry leading contract and has certainly been used as a benchmark by other airlines. My basic pay rate is up 40 percent on the same equipment since leaving chapter 11. Reserve pay is up an additional 7 percent plus. Overtime pay is up from 1.5 to 2X and kicks in sooner. This happened in a timeframe many are calling a depression.
I like results not chest puffing and hot air.


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