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forgot to bid 02-16-2013 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354363)
The 50 seater does have a higher CASM, but it makes money on certain routes. So while they're despised by many, they will still be used.

The routes I see the CR2 flying where it makes a lot of money are things like ATL-SDF or ATL-ROA or ATL-PHF, where it's the only option. If you say SDF-ATL-LAX or ROA-LAX or PHF-LAX, the ticket prices stay the same or even go down.

And I suspect if it's the only option, a CR7 or CR9 would work there too. They probably don't have enough of them, but they will soon! :D

Jack Bauer 02-16-2013 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354272)
I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.

The profit sharing as a part of pay is a pitance compared to where compensation should be. You bought off on the "total compensation" angle management, and these guys sold. Ask FTB how the flight bennies "total compensation" part of things is working out lately. The outsourcing of Delta pilot captain jobs (where you actually get the kind of raise that makes a difference) is the type of buy off only undiscerning minds generally fall for. Sorry.

forgot to bid 02-16-2013 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1354368)
Why does it pay more?

Ya'll getting tired of watching (bigger)high paying airplanes go away and (smaller) lower ones coming on board yet?

I hope we pay the 777/747 $400/hour. :rolleyes: Remember, there are 500 starving captains out there that deserve that pay, because we all know how much harder it is to fly a big airplane than it is to fly a small one.

I get LBP, but the question is right now what would be better - a CR2 or CR9?

Or what would be a reason right now why the 7ER is better than M88? Pay might be one of them.

Probably the only one though. :D ;)

contrails 02-16-2013 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1354381)
Actually if I did the math right, and I probably didn't, by 2020 it isn't that bad, and that is only 12 years.
But now I'm not sure how the whole $17500 max works so I am sure I did it wrong

You could probably work a small increase each year into your 401K max contribution if you plan on maxing it out.

For example, in 2009 2010 and 2011 the maximum contribution was $16,500.

Then it went up to $17,000 for 2012 and up to $17,500 in 2013.

So if you just put an increase of $200-300 per year in your chart it would probably be reasonable. After all your spreadsheet is just going to be a prediction anyway.

Jack Bauer 02-16-2013 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354295)
They were good for me for 6 years until I got my 1000 TPIC. They're doing well enough now. I couldn't walk through the door here with expectations of being a widebody CA in 5 years. What expectations I did have - i.e. working for a financially viable and sustainable carrier - have been consistently upheld. What's so wrong with that?

May I remind you it was your generation that let them go. It'll be my generation that gets them back.

ALPA/Management wonk. Look through his posts. It's silly. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/se...archid=3411251

johnso29 02-16-2013 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1354387)
The profit sharing as a part of pay is a pitance compared to where compensation should be. You bought off on the "total compensation" angle management, and these guys sold. Ask FTB how the flight bennies "total compensation" part of things is working out lately. The outsourcing of Delta pilot captain jobs (where you actually get the kind of raise that makes a difference) is the type of buy off only undiscerning minds generally fall for. Sorry.

Yes, but overall outsourced CA jobs were decreased with our current contract.

tsquare 02-16-2013 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1354369)
Anyone know how to set up an excel spreadsheet to show me how much I might have in my 401K after 25/30 years at Delta assuming 3% raises after 2015 and making maybe 3% on the capital in the 401K?

Click here <-------------

johnso29 02-16-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354384)
The routes I see the CR2 flying where it makes a lot of money are things like ATL-SDF or ATL-ROA or ATL-PHF, where it's the only option. If you say SDF-ATL-LAX or ROA-LAX or PHF-LAX, the ticket prices stay the same or even go down.

And I suspect if it's the only option, a CR7 or CR9 would work there too. They probably don't have enough of them, but they will soon! :D

So if they make money on those routes, why were they toast?

Mesabah 02-16-2013 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354329)
What's the difference, to a pilot, between the CRJ-200 and CRJ-900 other than length? I'm waiting.

So 348 to 125ish? 70 - 223 is an unreal number. Because its negative.

I've flown both, the 900 is far and away a better airplane in every way it could be. Comfort, workload, no walk of shame, proper heating and cooling, weather and route planning, never have to mess with w&b, it's endless. Most importantly a 900 competes directly with mainline aircraft where the 200 falls way short.

forgot to bid 02-16-2013 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354401)
So if they make money on those routes, why were they toast?

They're toast because they have CR9s that can do it better and in the numbers they didn't have before...


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354351)
EB Oct 24: "So when you think about say bringing in 40 76-seaters and taking out 60, 50-seaters, there’s a really good balance sheet and CASM trade there."


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354330)
EB said [ref 50 seaters] "customers don’t particularly prefer" and "the cost of continuing to keep the 50-seat RJs in the fleet but even more importantly the upcoming fairly significant maintenance costs that we’re going to be experiencing which will run into the hundreds of millions of dollars on that fleet if we had decided to retain that aircraft."
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