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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354344)

Exactly WRONG. ..............

Fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1354299)

Not if we keep giving them more new efficient planes!

EB Oct 24: "So when you think about say bringing in 40 76-seaters and taking out 60, 50-seaters, there’s a really good balance sheet and CASM trade there."

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354345)

Ok. They were toast......maybe. I haven't seen anything that proves that. It's true that they aren't fuel efficient, but neither is a DC9. Networking has found routes on which they make money though. I think they've done the same with 50 seaters. That's how Delta has been making money for years now. Right?

Also, 10K filings did show how long Delta was on the hook for keeping the 50 seaters flying. So let's say we didn't give them more 76 seaters. What then? Just curious as to what happens next. BTW, you know I voted NO. I'm just bored, and up for discussion. :D

See post above.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354345)

FTB,

I personally think the regional industry is going through a morphing phase. Certain regionals are already having difficulty staffing their jets. I'm anxiously awaiting to see RAH staff these 53 E-175s they just signed up for. They can't even staff the Q400s now, & they only have 30ish of those. So I really think that critical staffing issues will cripple the reliability of the regionals. They won't be able to attract applicants. But Delta will. So what do we offer? Bringing RJs to mainline.

I bet they'll find pilots.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354345)

It's a good discussion to have. The 50 seater has higher CASM than the DC-9... and the DC-9 is paid for. Still viable 40 years after they were made!

Remember via the filing that we only accelerated the parking of the 50 seaters by about 2 years. There were many options on how to handle that, but instead we gave them more jumbo RJs that are much more efficient and that customers don't mind.

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354272)

I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.

"...Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me..." This is correct.
"So it's a mute point for debate..." This is incorrect. (moot)

Just trying to help.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354353)

See post above.

FTB,

That statement by EB doesn't answer my question.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354353)

I bet they'll find pilots.

They aren't now, so how?

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354349)

Fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354314)

The SWA pay scales are unsustainable if the economy drives ticket prices down again. They'll have a hard time raising the bar.

The regional guys, myself included, bring with us a healthy fear of bad decision making and awful management. We find a sustainable business model is much more pleasant to work under.

This was my first DAL contract. It was better than the previous. The new normal is a better contract every amendable date. Your normal is your fault. Not mine.

You said you voted yes. How is that my fault?

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354348)

Really? You don't think that a million a year legal firm couldn't fix the labor cost issue? If it was cheaper for us to do it, we'd be doing it. Do you take DAL management in the same light you apparently take me (as a fool)?.

I think you're looking at it wrong. I think you are looking solely at the profitability of individual airplane types like the 50 seater, and neglecting all synergies and brand improvements that would result from the change. I believe DAL mgmt is quite the opposite, they are very aware of the divide and conquer methodology and it appears to have worked very well for them. I believe they are smart, and shrewd. I think that even if they had data showing that they would be more profitable with all their flying in house they would still outsource a significant portion of it simply to prevent any one labor group from having too much power. I even think the shareholders would be okay with that too! But the difference between a pilot and a shareholder or a manager is that a pilot has a 30 year career to look out for, the shareholder and manager are here today and gone tomorrow. You may not have realized it, but the pilots who negotiate with the branded carrier are the chief stewards of long term brand quality at any airline.

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354348)

I commute. On RJs. I listen to the passengers. When they complain, I suggest they pass the word to Delta. Overall I'm satisfied with the product. Given the total passenger counts flying DCI metal is going to be stepping down significantly, I doubt quality of product factors in. Plus, if its a cheaper operation, the ticket price needed to supplement a "good enough" operation is less.

But which is it? Do you want an airline that has a RASM premium or do you want to work for Spirit? Plus, as a curious commuter you surely have noticed that your customers pay the same price to travel on a CR2 that they pay to travel on an A319.

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354348)

Fact of the matter the guys who count the beans have a much better top down view on this than we do. Let them count the beans. But I'm telling you right now that there's 30 years of sustainability in Delta's product.

I agree, they know what they are doing. And I also agree on the 30 year sustainability. I think we differ on whether or not your profit sharing checks for each of those 30 years would be larger without outsourcing half of your network.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1354355)

"...Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me..." This is correct.
"So it's a mute point for debate..." This is incorrect. (moot)

Just trying to help.

Well, it'd been more fun to say it was a moo point.

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