Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354272)

I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354290)

Like I said earlier - loud mouthing the defeatist attitude is only gonna get you defeated. Not sure what made you worth $319 in 2000 besides well timed pattern bargaining and cheap gas, but you aren't gonna just be able to ask nicely for a 25% raise. Best to just set it as a goal and go for it.

Not to mention unreasonable pay rate jumps were listed as contributory factors in a number of airline BKs. Bad management aside, pensions plus $319 an hour is unsustainable.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1354291)

Wow. I was hoping you were being sarcastic. But you really do think outsourced RJ's are good for you.

Just wow.

Carl

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1353788)

What a load of BUNK!

In the last 4 months the MEC elected a new MEC Chairman. Several major committees and appointed positions turned over. The negotiating committee went from 4 to 3. The EVP changed. There are 9 new voting reps out of 19 votes taking office March 1.

You whine because the results don't fit YOUR set of politics.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354295)

They were good for me for 6 years until I got my 1000 TPIC. They're doing well enough now. I couldn't walk through the door here with expectations of being a widebody CA in 5 years. What expectations I did have - i.e. working for a financially viable and sustainable carrier - have been consistently upheld. What's so wrong with that?

May I remind you it was your generation that let them go. It'll be my generation that gets them back.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1354297)

SJ, how are we going to get them back if having them outsourced is good for us?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1354299)

Not if we keep giving them more new efficient planes!

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354290)

Like I said earlier - loud mouthing the defeatist attitude is only gonna get you defeated. Not sure what made you worth $319 in 2000 besides well timed pattern bargaining and cheap gas, but you aren't gonna just be able to ask nicely for a 25% raise. Best to just set it as a goal and go for it.

Not to mention unreasonable pay rate jumps were listed as contributory factors in a number of airline BKs. Bad management aside, pensions plus $319 an hour is unsustainable.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354272)

I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.