You need to clarify your statement. Are you referring to just the busy months? All months? Do you not understanding how the staffing formula works?

Mainline has shrunk - but I think the 2014 measurement should be applied apples to apples with the RJ count. If you compare actual fleet totals there has been a noticeable decrease in total DCI airframes. Did you mean shrinking mainline - like less pilots on the seniority list? I don't mind looking forward to attrition over a 30 year career.

Apathetic line pilots did nothing to stop ALPA from what they were doing. If I thought they were wrong, I would have tried to stop them myself. But 200 pilots blowing up their reps email address isn't going to fix anything when the reps can call upon the silent majority for help. And yeah yeah. I know. 5100 cards. Whatever ;)

The military chain of command mentality needs to go. It's not what I've always known. I've known a far better way to run an airline - and I'm starting to see it here, but I'm tired of feeling like a grunt. I'm a highly skilled member of the only labor group at this company that can turn an airplane into cash by flying it (and good on TechOps for fixing them for money)

Lee disagrees. And he's just proven it to you with the Pinnacle deal. You refusing to see it, doesn't make it so.

Do you really mean this, or is this sarcasm gone wrong?

Carl

How? Explain please.

I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.

Dude !!!

Contract 2000 777 12 YR Capt pay rate = $319.61

Current contract 777 12 YR Capt payrate = $254.74

I'd call that a concession.

What was it in 2008?

Lies, #%+= lies, and statistics.

Concessions were 9 years ago. This is recovery at a reasonable pace.

What was then 777 CA 12 yr payrate on our last contract? Is the payrate on our current contract higher?

Who currently makes $319 per hour operating a 777?

I disagree. Its not recovery at all. We will never get back to C2K at this rate.

These recent post bankruptcy contracts are ALPA conceding that a professional airline pilot's compensation has been permanently reset to a much lower level than we enjoyed prior to all the bankruptcies.

And that's just the payrates. Don't forget they got our pensions too.

Maybe it was inevitable. Maybe we were never really worth $319 and a 60% FAE DB. But let's call it what it is. Its not a reasonably paced recovery. Its the new normal.

Like I said earlier - loud mouthing the defeatist attitude is only gonna get you defeated. Not sure what made you worth $319 in 2000 besides well timed pattern bargaining and cheap gas, but you aren't gonna just be able to ask nicely for a 25% raise. Best to just set it as a goal and go for it.

Not to mention unreasonable pay rate jumps were listed as contributory factors in a number of airline BKs. Bad management aside, pensions plus $319 an hour is unsustainable.