Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1358178)

Lol, that's why Standard Text is such Hogwash. Ten years from now we will be doing something completely different.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1358200)

20 new airplanes minus how many 9s and 757s?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1358115)

Management also stated that the very survival of the airline depended on getting down to 3 fleet types. I guess they now think training is not a big issue.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1358226)

Did anyone think to ask them which three?

Aren't they on record stating that the MD-88/90's will be around for a long time, too? So how do you narrow it down to three fleet types from:

717's
MD-88/90's
A319/320's
737-800/900's
757/767's
787's
A330's
777's
747's


Unless we are getting rid of all the Arbi, and somehow combining the MD88/90/717 and 787/767/757/737's into two different common fleets, I don't see us getting down to three fleet types while any of us are still flying.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1358226)

Did anyone think to ask them which three?

Aren't they on record stating that the MD-88/90's will be around for a long time, too? So how do you narrow it down to three fleet types from:

717's
MD-88/90's
A319/320's
737-800/900's
757/767's
787's
A330's
777's
747's


Unless we are getting rid of all the Arbi, and somehow combining the MD88/90/717 and 787/767/757/737's into two different common fleets, I don't see us getting down to three fleet types while any of us are still flying.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1358228)

I think he's referring to the Leo Mullin era. That was the plan back then.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1358193)

I know from past post you understand what has happened. If you read what you posted again it talks about the changes in the contract and how there were offsets to sections that decreased jobs. The company has so far done every thing they hinted at if the contract was ratified except hire some pilots this winter. Note they said start the process not hire in 2012. Hiring was always planned for 2013.
There were 2 things that changed. The ER program did not produce the upfront number of pilots hoped for however overall it is better for the pilot group since the pilots who went were much younger then the targeted group. The second was a large number of pilots returning from Mil Leave. 130 to 140 were the last numbers I heard with more each month. Even with both those items flight ops still wanted to hire but did not get funding. They now plan to start the process this fall for classes next winter. The end result for pilot advancement 3 years from now will be exactly what was stated upfront if not a bit better with the younger ER participants.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1358225)

Its been posted over and over again what the companies fleet plan is and how many aircraft they plan on having in 3 more years. There are still almost enough MD-90's to enter the fleet this year to offset the nines. The 20 number I posted was new aircraft only. If the company purchases the 30 additional aircraft then in 3 years we will have a net fleet increase approaching or exceeding 100 aircraft. That means 218 new aircraft plus the MD90's. There will be a lot of retirements as planned. In the past however Delta has almost always slowed retirement from their forecast so that could mean a even greater gain.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1358228)

I think he's referring to the Leo Mullin era. That was the plan back then.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1358230)

That's what I was thinking. That has Leo Mullin written all over it.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1358237)

So, we are going to survive? Outstanding! :D