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So things I've learned in this 744 discussion. I had no idea we have the first 744 ever made?
N661US? http://www.airpics.net/UserFiles/pic...050/24039m.jpg This planespotters thing shows we own 5 of the oldest 11 744s of which, 3 of the 11 are not even flying and one is cargo. So we have all 3 of the oldest passenger 744s and 5 of the oldest 8 passenger 744s. So what do we supposed the net gain in 744s would be? What would it have been if it had been a 773 order? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1358379)
I think Bar would say something like "you can't electrify a stick."
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Originally Posted by thomas39
(Post 1358156)
So are you suggesting RA and others were not telling the truth or whole truth to investors in that webcast? Only time and the next couple of AEs will tell. Adding airframes doesn't guarantee growth when they are/will/maybe displace from several other fleets to staff the new one.
Thomas, So you think if RA tells investors that he plans to cut capacity and then he does not cut capacity he is lying? More importantly, that he could be held liable for misleading investors? Here are some examples: RA to investors: "We plan on capacity restraint." "We plan on cutting capacity 2% nest year." SD to Pilots: "Approve this TA and we may start hiring this year." Everything they say they "plan" do is just that a plan. As Timbo would say "The 5 year plans changes every three months." Scoop |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1358367)
Check the new MD88/MD90 newsletter, it just came up in my email this evening. The said the MD88/90 Strategic Flight Deck Refresh (GPS, dual FMS and Flat Panel Display) has been approved and installations will begin in 2014 and continue to the end of 2015.
The airplane will be able to fly curved approaches...wait... it does that now... I don't know, they must be confused. RNAV RNP approaches. BTW, you know what a Fed once told me about RNP-2? It means you have to have 2 FMSs. :eek: I want to see an RNP-10 cockpit. Anyways, full datalink including flight plane, performance and takeoff data uplinks. NextGen and CPDLC!!!! AWESOME! ETOPS MD-88'S!!!! Bar has to be excited. ADS-B and Traffic Information. YEAH!!!!!!!! For those of you who fly the newly acquired MD-90s, mandarin dogs as one pilot said, that means we'll finally know what traffic is out there beyond 6.5 miles!!! :D Anyways, better cockpit and their words not mine, it will be simplified and more capable than many of our newer widebody aircraft. Somebody pick Bar off the floor. Check it out, it is online. For those of you who are not familiar with the MD-88 newsletter, you can find it by clicking on the picture of the jumbo RJ looking airplane on Deltanet and then finding the newsletter. Looks like the M88/90s will be around quite a while. :) |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1358397)
Looks like the M88/90s will be around quite a while. :)
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1358226)
Did anyone think to ask them which three?
Aren't they on record stating that the MD-88/90's will be around for a long time, too? So how do you narrow it down to three fleet types from: 717's MD-88/90's A319/320's 737-800/900's 757/767's 787's A330's 777's 747's Unless we are getting rid of all the Arbi, and somehow combining the MD88/90/717 and 787/767/757/737's into two different common fleets, I don't see us getting down to three fleet types while any of us are still flying. As was previously posted the post 9-11 pre-merger fleet plan was for three fleet types (not counting the 500 plus RJs that Leo and Fred bought for billions). 737 NG 757/767 777 "Fleet simplicity" was the mantra when they were parking L-10s, 727s, Classic 737s, and MD-11s as quick as they possibly could. As Sailing said they swore that our very survival depended on it. And it may have - until it didn't suit managements plans. Pretty hard to justify the complex fleet that the DAL/NW merger would result in after they were preaching the virtues of "Fleet simplicity" for the last couple of years. Quite the management conundrum. What to do?? Just change the talking points. So overnight fleet simplicity was discarded and never mentioned again. So when it behooved managements true goals "Fleet simplicity" was the key to a successful airline. When fleet simplicity could not be used to justify a fleet complicating merger, fleet simplicity was simply abandoned and management started worshiping at the alter of "Fleet Versatility Bottom Line: If its in managements interest to have a simple fleet that is what they will preach. If it is in managements interests to have a versatile fleet that will be the ticket. Important note: Management interests may or may not coincide with what is best to run a successful airline, but their interests will definitely coincide with what maximizes thier bonuses. So maybe "Fleet simplicity" will be back in vogue again? :confused: What about putting the right airplane in the right market? Scoop |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1358225)
Its been posted over and over again what the companies fleet plan is and how many aircraft they plan on having in 3 more years. There are still almost enough MD-90's to enter the fleet this year to offset the nines. The 20 number I posted was new aircraft only. If the company purchases the 30 additional aircraft then in 3 years we will have a net fleet increase approaching or exceeding 100 aircraft. That means 218 new aircraft plus the MD90's. There will be a lot of retirements as planned. In the past however Delta has almost always slowed retirement from their forecast so that could mean a even greater gain.
830 DAL jets. Depending on how the 739 1:1 goes and what gets parked, you're looking at around 1.5% to 2.0% growth even with DCI dropping 150 small jets but increasing 70 jumbo RJs. If you make the 739 all growth and don't park anything than year its 215ish or so airplanes. That's 934 jets at DAL. That's almost a 4% capacity growth even with DCI@450. ...I hope you're right. Don't get me wrong. I just have a hard time buying into it. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1358405)
Any bets that we'll still have to look in a mirror for the whiskey compass?
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1358405)
Any bets that we'll still have to look in a mirror for the whiskey compass?
http://coachingbydoris.com/blog/wp-c...r-71993596.jpg thought about arod mirror pics but decided against it. |
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