Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1351208)

Need to see more of this:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...6-02-36-pm.png

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1351210)

I saw that in the ATL 777 A bid awards.

What I don't understand is, it shows him getting paid 61hrs. for being "Retired"? :confused:

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1351181)

The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1351212)

You mean the C2012 contract comparison that was completely plagiarized by SWAPA in their own contract preps?:rolleyes:

Or that SWAPA memo that said DAL was going to pass them in contract value?:p

Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths...please.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1351210)

I saw that in the ATL 777 A bid awards.

What I don't understand is, it shows him getting paid 61hrs. for being "Retired"? :confused:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1351210)

I saw that in the ATL 777 A bid awards.

What I don't understand is, it shows him getting paid 61hrs. for being "Retired"? :confused:

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1351219)

Is that per capita?

Or is it 12000 vs 6000?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1351205)

I don't personally believe it makes a person an outlier or two standard deviations to the left or right to expect our collective bargaining agent to tell us the whole truth. It is not my desire to find fault, but I find it personally insulting to be lied to.

My own assessment is that the lies (or half truths) flow in order to further an agenda which, to me, seems counter to the true betterment of the DAL pilots. This is, in my viewpoint, true of the (perceived) lack of adherance to the contract surveys, the 717 won't come unless..., SWA pay, statements like "they aren't in our competitive set", statements like "outsourcing is good for DAL pilots", etc.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1351250)

Very, very well said.

The hardest thing for me and others to understand is why our own union would do this to us? Why would they go to such extraordinary lengths to minimize our gains? Management, I can understand...but our own union?

The bottom line is that they did...and that's all that matters. My hope is that next time, not a single pilot substitutes their own logic and judgment for that of any union official. I hope I never again hear: "I was going to vote no but my (insert union official here) says it's a great deal, and I have to trust that he knows more than I do."

Carl