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80ktsClamp 02-13-2013 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 1351449)
Well said.

(PS you might be quoting Pres Roosevelt but that's really beside the point. Thank you for laboring for so many strangers.)

Couldn't his diatribe also be considered long winded internet bloviation as so eloquently previously described by himself? ;)

It's at the least long winded, and there is some serious self love in there!

CheapTrick 02-13-2013 02:09 AM

Is self love wrong? If it is, I don't want to be right.

whitt767 02-13-2013 02:18 AM

Just saw Profit Sharing Check in the bank. Great, but Obama took 25% for Income tax, 6% Soc Sec, 2% Medicare, and ALPA took 2%....Guess what? That equals 35%.... Back to the coal mine.

sailingfun 02-13-2013 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1351422)
Here's the thing, the 320/73N/89/DC9 will with the 90s be averaging 5.7 crews per jet. Close to Southwest and it should move further down on this next AE.

The only measure of productivity between pilot groups is block hours flown per pilot. Aircraft usage goes up and down with the economy, marketing and type of operation. Usage varies quite a bit at Delta even among narrow body fleets. At the moment as a example we have a surplus of MD88/90 airframes and could fly them more if marketing decides the economy is improving by adding pilots. We needed as many as 35 pilots for each 777 but that is because of high daily hours flown and the need for 3 and 4 man crews.

sailingfun 02-13-2013 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1351348)
But on the 88/90, which flies a near identical mission to SWAs 737 fleet, we are running about 4.9-4.8 crews vs SWAs 5.6 crews.

And that's set to go lower if as they said in the crew planning newsletter they reduce staffing further on that jet even with more 90s coming.

But if we went up to SWAs 5.6, we could soon add almost 370 pilots alone just for the 88.

Our 88/90 fleet is being way underutilized so your numbers don't have any meaning. The number used to measure productivity that is valid is block hours flown per pilot.
2011 numbers
SWA 62.1
DAL 42.9

Those numbers are being skewed some because Delta was carrying a greater surplus of pilots then SWA however we are no where near their level of productivity. 2012 numbers are not out yet.

sailingfun 02-13-2013 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1351366)
Johnson conveniently ignores the higher pilot requirements of Delta's international flying. Why does it seem like the data is always so skewed with some of these guys? Thanks for pointing out an actual apples to apples metric unlike Johnson.

The apples to apples measurement is block hours flown per pilot. Unless you know the average daily usage of each fleet comparing hulls to pilots is meaningless. The comparison posted also uses the total number of SW pilots including management, training, mil leave, personal leave, long term sick verses the exact manning numbers at Delta on the 88/90 excluding the above pilots. To get a actual comparison you have to add all those pilots back into the Delta numbers.

Imapilot2 02-13-2013 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by whitt767 (Post 1351458)
Just saw Profit Sharing Check in the bank. Great, but Obama took 25% for Income tax, 6% Soc Sec, 2% Medicare, and ALPA took 2%....Guess what? That equals 35%.... Back to the coal mine.

How else will us working people pay for Obamacare if not highly taxed? As I said last year, wait until this country sees welfare recipients triple with the new 29 hour requirement over 40. Its coming my friend and the damn working man beware.

sailingfun 02-13-2013 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1351422)
Here's the thing, the 320/73N/89/DC9 will with the 90s be averaging 5.7 crews per jet. Close to Southwest and it should move further down on this next AE.

I know your a smart guy from your posts so I can only conclude your are trying to mislead readers with your post. You are fully aware your using the total number of SW pilots verses a snapshot of one fleet at Delta that excludes a large number of pilots your including at SW. This includes management pilots, personal leave pilots, mil leave pilots, long term sick pilots, training pilots ect....

Flamer 02-13-2013 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1351212)
You mean the C2012 contract comparison that was completely plagiarized by SWAPA in their own contract preps?:rolleyes:

Or that SWAPA memo that said DAL was going to pass them in contract value?:p

Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths...please.

It was intentionally misleading. It used small nuggets of data broken out in individual sections to portray the TA favorably to other contracts. To say our vacation, for example, is even in the same ball park as SWA or FDX is just not true. Then, the overall wrap up for compensation was absent as well. I'll repost the AirTran welcome packet link. Every SWA pilot here has stated that this is truth data. So if you are so proud of the transparent presentation of the data in the 2012 contract comparison, why is there such a disparity? Try not to take this personally, I just wish people didn't have to do their own research because our union was providing FULL truth data. Scambo makes 30% less flying the 777 than his peer SWA buddy. That is a fact. It would be nice if ALPA would at least acknowledge that. They lose credibility, at least with me, when they don't. I am not as upset about making less than I am about being told that I actually am.

http://library.constantcontact.com/d...me-Booklet.pdf

forgot to bid 02-13-2013 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1351481)
I know your a smart guy from your posts so I can only conclude your are trying to mislead readers with your post. You are fully aware your using the total number of SW pilots verses a snapshot of one fleet at Delta that excludes a large number of pilots your including at SW. This includes management pilots, personal leave pilots, mil leave pilots, long term sick pilots, training pilots ect....

We have 1095 pilots out on MIL, FUR, SUP, INS, SIC, etc, or about 10% of the group. 10% of 6400 pilots is 640. I can run the numbers on that is 5.1 crews for them vs 4.8 for us once we get the rest of these 90s and before we cut pilots out of the category.


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