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Ferd149 01-31-2013 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1343153)
I don't think oil paintings are a bad thing. At Spacklair, we're going to have one of Carl hanging in the lobby of the headquarters on Park Avenue.

It's going to be huge.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0920e491.png


That's if I'm allowed back in.

And being a national hero............he was, of course, elected President!

http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Bost...n%20Hudson.jpg

SailorJerry 01-31-2013 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1343736)

Well, you're very precise. I guess I'm a measure once and cut twice type. :D But a few minutes here or there I just chalk that up to traffic (short final to 28 or way out there by Alabama landing on 8L). I've looked down and seen the ETE entered into the ACARS be pretty spot on but it'd be a good question to know if they're using favoring winds to determine approaches and therefore landing times. I'd say taxi times can be way off, but vast majority of the time that's in our favor.

I don't do a full HOWZITHANGIN unless I'm bored or it's a CUN type flight. When I do it I've never really seen a 600 lb difference that cannot be explained. I just run the CI that's on the flight plan though unless there is a good reason to go higher. Of course sometimes you go 3 hours staring at a yoke in a bank and those fading white indicators out of trim, but I don't tell anyone how to fly. Probably doesn't help fuel burn.

Next time I fly I'll watch it but I can't say I've seen anything that jumped out at me.

Just boredom. I like to split hairs on stuff like that. The FAA interpretation of "planned fuel burn" and the process in use at most carriers is night and day.

In the Sabre flight planning software you could tweak how much extra time and gas each airport got. Chicago and Atlanta was 10-12 minutes, Jackson, MS was 0. You just tracked the overtime and overburn and...

Ahhh forget it.

biigD 01-31-2013 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1343739)
Random story, but it kind of reminds me of when I was at Coex and we had a pilot only rule of thumb of 3000lbs as the sort of kinda min fuel on the E145. The company wanted to a) take us out of the loop on ordering fuel and b) start using the real min fuel of 1800 lbs or somewhere around there. For good reason.

That's precisely what is happening with us right now. People are freaking the hell out about it, but before I commit hara-kiri, I figured I'd do exactly what you mentioned and see if my personal minimums merely need an adjustment. It sounds like they do. ;)

SailorJerry 01-31-2013 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1343762)

That's precisely what is happening with us right now. People are freaking the hell out about it, but before I commit hara-kiri, I figured I'd do exactly what you mentioned and see if my personal minimums merely need an adjustment. It sounds like they do. ;)

Measure fuel based on time, not pounds. Anyone who hedges their bets on a quantity and not a duration is missing the big picture. Sure there are low gas go around limits, but are you telling me that if the situation was dire that you couldn't do it? When was the last time you even touched your reserve fuel? Most carriers plan for all flights to land with 75-90 minutes of gas on board. Truly landing with 60 should raise eyebrows, less than 45 demands an ASAP, and less than 30 requires a full investigation.

Notice how I don't care if that's 10 gallons or 10,000lbs?

Timbo 01-31-2013 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1343761)
Just boredom. I like to split hairs on stuff like that. The FAA interpretation of "planned fuel burn" and the process in use at most carriers is night and day.

In the Sabre flight planning software you could tweak how much extra time and gas each airport got. Chicago and Atlanta was 10-12 minutes, Jackson, MS was 0. You just tracked the overtime and overburn and...

Ahhh forget it.


When I was flying KC135's out of PSM, I would always file TXKF as my alternate. One day the (wound wayyy too tight) SOF comes to the briefing room and says, "Hey, What The Fk is this? You put Bermuda as your alternate!" :eek:

I said, "Yup, I know we have the gas, so if Pease is snowed in, I'm going to Bermuda!" :D

The only time you have too much gas is when you are on fire.;)

buzzpat 01-31-2013 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1343772)
When I was flying KC135's out of PSM, I would always file TXKF as my alternate. One day the (wound wayyy too tight) SOF comes to the briefing room and says, "Hey, What The Fk is this? You put Bermuda as your alternate!" :eek:

I said, "Yup, I know we have the gas, so if Pease is snowed in, I'm going to Bermuda!" :D

The only time you have too much gas is when you are on fire.;)

When I actually had a say....an extra 5000 pounds of gas for wife and the kids. Now, I just roll with it and watch it carefully.

Timbo 01-31-2013 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1343779)
When I actually had a say....an extra 5000 pounds of gas for wife and the kids. Now, I just roll with it and watch it carefully.

We used to say something like that on final in the 727:

Add 5 knots for the wife, 5 more for each kid, and 5 more for yourself!:D

Always an adventure landing that thing in a gusty crosswind!

SailorJerry 01-31-2013 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1343779)

When I actually had a say....an extra 5000 pounds of gas for wife and the kids. Now, I just roll with it and watch it carefully.

I must be too young to get it. You understand the SCF model, correct?

80ktsClamp 01-31-2013 09:20 PM

Two things:

The photoshopped Lee and Carl pictures made me laugh really hard.


I hate our rsv system. 8 days in a row for me working made legal by a 30 hr layover! Blargh!

Hero68 01-31-2013 10:46 PM

Hey guys, just noticed my direct deposit for Jan31st paycheck was about $1200 less than my Dec 31st deposit last year..I am a 330fo on reserve most months and have not changed any withholding from last year. This is the "small" advance paycheck , I hope this is not our new reality with the present tax code. Anyone else notice the same thing? Only thing I can think is that maybe I hit the max 401k withholding before the end of the year and the paychecks were larger reflecting that change.


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