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Phuz 02-16-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354301)
We haven't sold the farm on the true NextGen 70-110 seat jets have we? You say more efficient? The CRJ-900 isn't any more efficient today than it was in 2007.

You have powerplant restrictions in your section 1 forbidding dci from operating geared turbofans? Thats news to me.

johnso29 02-16-2013 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1354294)
AA will be at 310 an hour in less than 5 years... and they got that in bankruptcy. We're highly profitable and we got 4-8-3-3. That's some bull honky.

What % of their domestic flying can be codeshare flying done by JetBlue and Alaska? And look at their NB pay. Much lower then ours. Looks like they sold their NB guys out.

SailorJerry 02-16-2013 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1354305)

Well hey, feel free to buy one of us a beer next time since you know our outsourcedness contributes so much to that RASM premium you enjoy. By the way I thought your profit sharing was based on net income?

How is it that uncle Hulas is able to produce net income with "those arrjays" but Uncle Dick isn't?

Won't happen, i know, so it's a moot point, really.

So if we fly the jets, and increase the cost on them 25% per block hour, then any money you may have been making on an RJ just got blown out the tail pipe. So if Delta pays Pinnacle $750 per hour to operate a CRJ-900 but makes $800 in revenue from said product, where exactly do you think that $50 goes? Hint. Not to Pinnacle.

Are you suggesting that Delta could operate the aircraft more profitably than Pinnacle or GoJets?

johnso29 02-16-2013 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1354306)
You have powerplant restrictions in your section 1 forbidding dci from operating geared turbofans? Thats news to me.

Not forbidding, but limited.

80ktsClamp 02-16-2013 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354308)
What % of their domestic flying can be codeshare flying done by JetBlue and Alaska? And look at their NB pay. Much lower then ours. Looks like they sold their NB guys out.

The fact is that they got that in bankruptcy... pay raises.

johnso29 02-16-2013 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1354312)
The fact is that they got that in bankruptcy... pay raises.

At what price? They lost a ton of flying to codeshare, plus they sold out the NB guys.

SailorJerry 02-16-2013 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1354304)

I guess we'll watch SWA - who pays a bunch of their guys the equivalent of that to fly a 737 - turn supernova.

I think you need to go back to your independant analysis.

Someone earlier said that our union politics would change when we hire more regional guys...Not if their frame of reference is "wow, this is so much better than my regional."

Unfortunately, when this contract got voted in, the Delta pilots said "yup, this is the new normal."

The SWA pay scales are unsustainable if the economy drives ticket prices down again. They'll have a hard time raising the bar.

The regional guys, myself included, bring with us a healthy fear of bad decision making and awful management. We find a sustainable business model is much more pleasant to work under.

This was my first DAL contract. It was better than the previous. The new normal is a better contract every amendable date. Your normal is your fault. Not mine.

80ktsClamp 02-16-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354301)
We haven't sold the farm on the true NextGen 70-110 seat jets have we? You say more efficient? The CRJ-900 isn't any more efficient today than it was in 2007.

They are much more efficient than the 50 seaters they are replacing and will be around for a much longer time. There has to be sunset provisions in the next contract...

80ktsClamp 02-16-2013 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1354313)
At what price?

I don't know all the details of it- I know they let the cat out of the bag on the jumbo RJs, which pretty much matches us now (woo hoo, once again we help proliferate outsourcing!)... I believe the AS flying is pretty close to what they had previously.

80ktsClamp 02-16-2013 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1354314)
The SWA pay scales are unsustainable if the economy drives ticket prices down again. They'll have a hard time raising the bar.

The regional guys, myself included, bring with us a healthy fear of bad decision making and awful management. We find a sustainable business model is much more pleasant to work under.

This was my first DAL contract. It was better than the previous. The new normal is a better contract every amendable date. Your normal is your fault. Not mine.

Set your expectations higher. You're a mainline pilot now.


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