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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1354396)
Yes, but overall outsourced CA jobs were decreased with our current contract.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1354415)
They're toast because they have CR9s that can do it better and in the numbers they didn't have before...
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1354417)
But not as much as they would have been if we didn't allow more large, economically viable RJ's in RJ outsourcing 2.0. Round and round we go.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1354425)
It was past tense, questioning how they would be toast without additional 76 seaters to replace them.
Delta in talks with Airbus, Boeing to buy jets: Bloomberg Reuters - Wednesday, January 23, 2013 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc is in talks with Airbus SAS and Boeing Co to buy $1 billion or more new jets, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter. The Atlanta-based airline is looking at current versions of the Airbus A320 and Boeing 737, not the newest versions, likely meaning a deeper discount to retail prices than normal, the news agency quoted one person as saying. (Delta Said to Talk With Airbus, Boeing on Jet Purchase - Bloomberg) The talks are for an order of twenty-four to thirty planes and deliveries would start in three to five years, it said. Lindsay McDuff, a spokeswoman for Delta, told Reuters that the company does not comment on industry rumor and speculation. The deal could have a book value of at least $1 billion, based on prices tracked by consultant Avitas of Chantilly, Virginia, Bloomberg said. Delta, the No. 2 airline behind United Continental Holdings , is looking for a deal in which it could exchange some of its 50-seat regional jets for new planes from Boeing or Airbus, similar to a deal with Bombardier Inc made in December. The sale of old aircraft is a part of a cost-cutting program at the company, which includes retiring smaller, less efficient planes from its fleet. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1354428)
How so? Where is the guarantee that the outsourced CA jobs would've been reduced had we not ratified the contract? It's pure conjecture on your part. Before Delta bought Pinnacle, they extended the 50 seat contract by 4 years through 2020. It's clear Delta intended to continue use of the 50 seaters. So by not reducing the allowable amount of total outsourced RJs, how would we have reduced outsourced CA jobs?
Then Pinnacle got all Comair'd. There are ways around those contracts...always. The point is that the 50 seater was self mitigating and we allowed a pile of additional highly viable heavy RJs to replace them. There is no guarantee otherwise as this is speculation since the contract passed. I would have happily taken a few more months of negotiations to at least get it somewhat more right. What was the big rush? DL supposedly wanted to "make moves." We assumed they would benefit us and open up opportunity for further negotiations and increases. Well, they bought 49% of a foreign airline with a bunch of widebodies to JV with. So much for that. |
In other news, USair out of CLT cancelled and entire outbound bank of flights due to the snow... but didn't cancel the inbound. So planes were parked everywhere around the airport.
Apparently numerous aircraft have broken the 3 hour limit... whoops!! |
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1354415)
They're toast because they have CR9s that can do it better and in the numbers they didn't have before...
Keep one thing in mind. The people involved in the contract working for us modeled every possible option the company had with regard to long term fleet plans. They had airline experts to assist in that not keyboard cowboys. The company had many different options. The current plan was simply one choice among many. Several of the other plans would have been ugly for us but legal under the existing contract. |
Sailing...come on.. they would have had to have parked 1:1 CR7s to get more 900s. ... and have grown mainline by a pile of airframes (not just domestic mainline). Nothing would have gotten ugly other than longer negotiations. You know better than what you wrote.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1354494)
Of course the prior contract allowed a greater number of CR9's then the current contract and with aircraft deliveries coming it would have been very simple to pump and dump to reach those numbers. Yes they would have had to reduce the CR7's some to accomplish that but they could have had more of the 9's everyone states are such great aircraft.
Keep one thing in mind. The people involved in the contract working for us modeled every possible option the company had with regard to long term fleet plans. They had airline experts to assist in that not keyboard cowboys. The company had many different options. The current plan was simply one choice among many. Several of the other plans would have been ugly for us but legal under the existing contract. Give us all a contractually enforceable scenario that would meet your definition of UGLY. I just want to be on the same page as you. Otherwise I am left with the belief that this was all about big RJ acquisition and more international outsourcing...For which we received a princely "raise" ((COLA) and work rules which allow decreased staffing. BTW, you said you were a no voter and I will take you at your word. |
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