Hey guys,

For about the last two years Compass has allowed Delta pilots to utilize the flight attendent jumpseats for commuting purposes. Thats up to three pilot jumpseaters per flight. So far this has been a one way agreement, with no offical reciprocity on mainline Delta flights. The union has indicated that if some sort of reciprocal agreement does not come into being, the ability for Delta pilots to use Compass flight attendent jumpseats could get shut down.

If you get a chance, bug some of the base/system chief pilots and send an email to your reps. Thanks

Using threats-lovely.

It's not a threat man.....just asking guys/gals for five minutes of their time.

In case you missed the memo, I'm totally on board with removing the notes from the forum. I've even said that I believe ACL and 80 might have saved whoever posted the notes job. I even have a pretty good idea as to why the company wanted the notes removed. So, you are ****ing up the wrong tree.

What you are missing is the point that I was making: In my opinion it is not necessary to equalize or marginalize the deeds or actions of a Medal of Honor recipient -- for any reason. If it were me, I would simply say the guy is Superman or something and move on. While I understood what you were tying to say, I stopped reading after I read your comment that Sgt. Meyer was "just doing his job."

Your above post is off the mark. Aim first before you fire next time.

On another note, what are the odds we pick up the 5 777LR's AI has for sale?

I'd like to think 100%. I'm guessing less than 25%.

Didn't see it as a threat, but it's somewhat inaccurate information. Nothing has come from the union telling us to deny DL guys the FA jumpseat. We have heard, however, through various channels that the attempt to allow CPS guys to sit on DL FA jumpseats has failed.

Here's what it comes down to, guys. Per the letter of our FOM, Delta pilots, like all offline pilots, are not allowed to sit on our FA jumpseats. Like everything else in the FOM that is not a FAR, this provision can be waived by a very small group of people in management. What many Compass captains have been doing, myself included, is make the effort to call one of these people and get permission when the alternative was leaving a DL guy at the gate. It does take extra time and effort, often at a late stage in the preflight process, and it is a bit of a grey area that could potentially raise the ire of a misguided FAA inspector, but I've been doing it because I hate to leave anyone behind, and it's in our best interest for the DL & CP pilot groups to maintain a good relationship. Getting a guy where he's going is one small way of doing that. Karma is at play here, too. DL guys have gone the extra mile to get me on flights at times.

That said, we've been trying to get it codified in our FOM so it's not such a cumbersome and potentially misunderstood process. The FAA is willing to let DL pilots on our FA jumpseats, and our management is willing also, but they have indicated there needs to be reciprocity. From everything I've heard, DALPA was game but the Delta Inflight Department said no (because DL FAs can't sit on our cockpit jumpseats). Now why they were even given a veto is a topic for another time (the FAs voted down representation, right?) but the fact remains that unless something changes, CPS guys have no chance at reciprocity. Given that, I can see how some guys may stop making the extra effort to get DL guys on the FA jumpseat. I'll keep doing it, myself. But in exchange I will ask that you guys contact your jumpseat coordinator and ask if there isn't someway to jumpstart a reciprocal agreement between us for use of the FA jumpseat.

Excellent post. I commute and will often initiate the call to the CP/DO if the Captain doesn't, just for the karma. It's unfortunate that Delta (not the pilots) will not allow reciprocation.

I've had a lot of guys help me, and I'm very thankful for that. The non-commuters and those who don't understand the commuting "game" are the ones who are going to follow the union's lead, and start denying guys.

That's unfortunate, but within their rights. I will continue to try to help guys any time I can.

That's fine...but I know that usually a DL pilot will take a DL FA jumpseat so that an offline pilot can sit in the cockpit jumpseat, so understand it can go both ways. A DL pilot can refuse to take a Delta FA jumpseat leaving a CPS pilot at the gate. I'm all for reciprocity, but I don't know the rules regarding our FA's say in the use of FA jumpseats by non-Delta pilots. If the issue was that FA's can't sit in the cockpit jumpseat, then I assume DL pilots would be denied the FA jumpseat.

I am a commuter BTW, and prefer maximum flexibility for all commuters.

I agree with you JungleBus and next time I talk to my CP I'll ask him why (as of now) it's not allowed.

The 'workaround' that I have used many times, when I see an offline pilot at the gate and I've got the cockpit jumpseat booked is, I'll take the F/A jumpseat, so the off line guy can go in the cockpit.

I'll also ask him why F/A's can't sit in the cockpit JS. Prior to 9-11 we were putting the A line (Purser) on the cockpit jumpseat just to observe our ops, so they would (hopefully) learn what we are doing up there, on T/O and Landings. They would return to the cabin as soon as we got the seatbelt light off, and return on descent to observe the landing. I thought it was a great program, but it stopped after 9-11.

I don't see why it couldn't come back now.