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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1331039)
We will soon be way cheaper than any other regional, the others simply can't compete.
No to mention other pilot groups willing to "deal an ace" to get SJS's. Even gently pre-loved SJS's are still SJS's. Pay for Training is being replaced with pay for upgrade. Sort of. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1331114)
Really? Going to be a lot of those on this AE? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1331113)
This deal though, makes us at 9E, Delta pilots but working under a different CBA as an alter ego. The only reason there is no PID is because the mainline CBA allows, or actually doesn't allow this type of arrangement, but ALPA national says it's okay.
Although the ALPA president should withold signature for previously mentioned reasons, I will not judge the PCL pilot's vote in this matter. Be careful viewing this as not only some kind of final solution for the senior pilots there, but even as the glimmer of a ray of hope that even the most jaded realist is trying to view it as. Always remember, "Being Owned by Delta Means Everything." |
Originally Posted by firstmob
(Post 1331004)
Where are all the MD-90's coming from?
Are the Saudia MD90's really common enough with the B717 to operate as a common fleet? If so, how many do they have? |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1331120)
There's a bit more to it than that. There will be no PID because there shouldn't be a PID. There will be no lottery chance at a windfall arbitration, which is exactly what a PID would mean. It will never happen. This road has been well traveled before and recently, twice. Game over.
Although the ALPA president should withold signature for previously mentioned reasons, I will not judge the PCL pilot's vote in this matter. Be careful viewing this as not only some kind of final solution for the senior pilots there, but even as the glimmer of a ray of hope that even the most jaded realist is trying to view it as. Always remember, "Being Owned by Delta Means Everything." |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1330913)
I find it astounding that Lee Moak would even consider signing the contract.
If Lee Moak was a trade unionist there is no way he would sign that contract. Lee Moak is many things but a trade unionist is not one of them. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1331121)
MD90 numbers keep being thrown around, but from present position (current fleet count) how many more MD90's are we actually getting? How many beyond that are even out there for potential sale?
Are the Saudia MD90's really common enough with the B717 to operate as a common fleet? If so, how many do they have? Here's the source and delivery dates of all 65 from the code share report. Orig. DAL...............16............1995-1997 Hello.......................3............Winter 2010 China Eastern...........9........... Apr-Jun 2011 SAS .......................8 ............Sep-Dec 2011 China Southern ......13........... Jan-May 2012 JAL .......................16........... Feb 2012- Feb 2013 My guess is that there are currently 49 in service and the remaining 16 JAL MD-90s will be coming into service this year. |
From the guys delivering the 90s say the JAL birds are immaculate.
standby for Bar to say immaculate is a relative term in 3.. 2...... |
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 1330932)
How many of these "new" captain positions will be filled simply by people returning to captain positions they were displaced from in the last few years?
It represents about 500 more than we would have had without the 717s I don't know if we can call this "advancement" any more than we can call the pay rate change that occured Jan 1st a "raise". Call it what you will, but at the end of the day it looks like about $1B in contract improvements through the life of the contract over the JCBA (yes that includes the minimal gives) and about 1,000 more Delta pilots flying Delta passengers. A very small step towards restoration, is what I'd call it. Very small. I'm sure the usual crowd will chime in and call it "the new normal". Nu |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1331129)
Heh...Lee Moak is, first of all, 100% in favor of cheap regional feed as a means of subsidizing mainline pay. The man told me himself. Second of all, he's on record floating flow agreements with regionals as a means of making sure the supposed pilot shortage doesn't hurt the airlines too much.
If Lee Moak was a trade unionist there is no way he would sign that contract. Lee Moak is many things but a trade unionist is not one of them. I don't know - scrapping the degree requirement sure looks like another step on the path from a "Professional" to more of a "skilled labor" type of career. :eek: I guess the next logical step would be to replace our "Association" with a true "Union." Maybe the DPA should try the DPU. :D Scoop |
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