Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1330812)

Ps. I like the fact that we require a degree. I think if we dropped the requirement we'd open the floodgates to a greater percentage of truly unqualified pilots. They may be able to fly but their decision making may be less than stellar. Maybe a human resources person could chime in and educate my holier than thou attitude. :)

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1330892)

I think some of you guys are making wayyyy too much out of this supposed secret letter flow thing.

Delta just got done with a merger with NWA. So in effect, Delta just 'hired' over 5,000 mainline Capts. and F/O's, none of whom interviewed with Delta, or, if they were interviewed by Delta, they turned Delta down for NW, or vice versa.

And before that merger, there was the Pan Am and Western mergeres and before that, the North East pilots, many, many, many of whom had no college at all.

But somehow, Delta survived.

Yes, there were (and still are) a few oddballs, but Delta hired plenty of them too, with 4 year degrees and Military training, they even got by Dr. Janis. There's always that 5%, right?

Having a College Degree doesn't make you a good person or a good pilot, being a good person does. That's why they interview, and they do a background check, made even easier today with them looking at your Facebook page and training records. I'm sure they will do all the required checks on all flows, college or not.

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1331078)

I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1331078)

I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1331101)

The issue is: Who is the collective bargaining agent for the flying at Delta?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1331104)

ALPA.

On behalf of the pilots at Delta Air Lines, Pinnacle and Alaska.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1330117)

Of course there is nothing to say that those kind of ops have to occur year-round. The company has reams of data on the reliability of flights to and from... say... FRA from JFK. There might be a couple of months where they stand to have a 99% reliability of performing both ways under 9 hours, and would be willing to run that risk. The bean counters have micrometers out, and they have the history to back up their decisions. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like that.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1331107)

I would. They can't get it for free, so provided we don't roll over giving it to them, even a modest price tag would quickly evaporate the potential marginal gains. And I doubt very many flights are 99% reliable within a 1-59 minute window. If you get into the low single digits in dispatch unreliability or gate returns you rapidly diminish the miniscule paper savings of cutting a junior FO from those flights.

I don't see this happening but if they try we need to put a price tag on it that includes job security provisions significantly in excess of what they would be able to trim to even consider it.

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1331078)

I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1330709)

What about 320 & M88 guys displaced to the 7er and 73N?