Roberts was not the MEC Chairman when all of this happened. TO was.

Word from a friend who attended part of the last MEC meeting is that Moak allegedly admitted under some pointed questioning in open session that he in fact had told some (apparently not the token "Vichy" North Vice Chair) on the the previous MEC Administration about the DAL negotiations with Pinnacle. My reps were not informed. Apparently this was NOT passed down to the new incoming MEC Administration.

If you cant beat em' throw them under the bus. This did what exactly to enhance the pay, benefits, and working conditions of DAL pilots?

IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him:D). Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?

The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.

None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.

Carl

+4/8/3/3.......

Sounds good, second's on me.

Holy crap, those posts were 44 minutes apart. That didn't last long. Does this mean we ain't drinking beer?

Carl

Sounds logical but when half of our list is over the age of 55, how do you convince them to be radical/ get back to basics and risk everything they have for a payout they may not be around for? They are in to the " US Treasury Bonds" portion of their career, not the penny stock high risk you propose. It would be nice, but everyone needs to remember that for C2K the average age on the list was below 47, and that makes a huge difference in what one is willing to risk.

The numbers are not in your favor.

Actually, that happened under OMalley and Roberts got left with the mess.

First, since you don't speak for the NMB, you're just stating your personal opinion here. Second, we were too afraid to engage the NMB! We took management's first offer before actual Section 6 negotiations even began. IMO, many did that because of the calculated move by ALPA to paint the NMB as a body that we can't possibly win with.

Making decisions based on fear and the wrong-headed sense that you've been put in a no-win situation (even when you haven't) is a certain recipe for disappointment.

Carl

"Admitted" or "made up" ?

They aren't going to recall him. He does whatever he wants. Collectively, we can't even get together on a letter telling him not to authorize other oilot groups to make deals with Delta management for Delta flying.

Of course we are, sometimes I just get carried away.