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Carl Spackler 05-12-2013 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1408006)
Don't think going to UPS will work out for you - from APC:

UPS

Not hiring. 44 pilots on furlough.

UPS has hired pilots into UPS's non-union management pilot workforce with IPA pilots on furlough. Not currently hiring management pilots

I see you haven't lost the old ALPA ability to change the subject when you have no answer to that subject. Nobody said anything about going anywhere. We're discussing world market rates for pilots and where the bottom 2/3rds of our list ranks in that regard.

I know you were part of that dishonorable cabal that stoked fear, uncertainty and fatalism on this pilot group from your position of power at DALPA. One of the things you did was fight tooth and nail to remove any comparison of UPS and FDX (because they're not even in the same business), and our foreign JV competitors (because that information is secret). Nobody buys it. We all know what you did and why you did it.

UPS may not have hired for a long time, but we've done almost none ourselves for a very long time. UPS might have management pilots, but we've got a ton of DGS guys and FO's training captains. We have all the same problems as UPS...they just make a LOT more than we do. A LOT more.

Carl

JobHopper 05-12-2013 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Free Mason (Post 1408112)
Sounds logical but when half of our list is over the age of 55, how do you convince them to be radical/ get back to basics and risk everything they have for a payout they may not be around for? They are in to the " US Treasury Bonds" portion of their career, not the penny stock high risk you propose. It would be nice, but everyone needs to remember that for C2K the average age on the list was below 47, and that makes a huge difference in what one is willing to risk.

The numbers are not in your favor.

Please quantify the risk you are talking about. The absolute worst case scenario is that Nothing Changes. We simply slide past the amenable date with the exact same contract we have today; we lose nothing (except the vaunted time value of money that DALPA touted).

We as a pilot group seem to be paralyzed by a fear of the unknown and those wedded to the status quo who play to those fears.

The best thing you can do is the right thing; the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing; the worst thing you can do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt

Bucking Bar 05-12-2013 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1408175)
The best thing you can do is the right thing; the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing; the worst thing you can do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt

His cousin had a war in the Pacific as a result, anyhow ...

Here's a picture of Shy Guy's mother ....

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ng...g/k-bigpic.jpg

fisherpilot 05-12-2013 04:34 PM

On a separate note, looks like my GA Congressman is for the Abu Dhabi US Pre-clearance facility....... Got a letter today from my petition letter I sent in

sinca3 05-12-2013 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1408181)
His cousin had a war in the Pacific as a result, anyhow ...

Here's a picture of Shy Guy's mother ....

Come on Dude!! That's just gross...

finis72 05-12-2013 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1408175)
Please quantify the risk you are talking about. The absolute worst case scenario is that Nothing Changes. We simply slide past the amenable date with the exact same contract we have today; we lose nothing (except the vaunted time value of money that DALPA touted).

We as a pilot group seem to be paralyzed by a fear of the unknown and those wedded to the status quo who play to those fears.

The best thing you can do is the right thing; the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing; the worst thing you can do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt

I like the quote. I think your first paragraph is not true. The worst case scenario is we have our old contract with the old pay rates and then the "vaunted time value of money" takes hold.

NERD 05-12-2013 05:07 PM

Go to bed. You have to get up early!!!


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1408191)
Come on Dude!! That's just gross...


80ktsClamp 05-12-2013 05:17 PM

Holy crap, Bar... there's been a lot of disturbing pictures posted on this thread over the years, but that one is up there as one of the most.

ShyGuy 05-12-2013 05:33 PM

Bucking Bar, 1999 called and it wants "your mom" jokes back.

80ktsClamp 05-12-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1408216)
Bucking Bar, 1999 called and it wants "your mom" jokes back.

ShyGuy, 2003 called and it wants "___ called" jokes back.


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