Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Delta (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/)
-   -   Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/36912-any-latest-greatest-about-delta.html)

brakechatter 05-06-2013 05:07 AM

30 a321
 
Done deal according to schoolhouse

biigD 05-06-2013 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1404156)
What training program would ever teach to slam a rudder in full opposite directions to the stop?

All I know is the -80 wouldn't care. It wouldn't give a s ***t. All it'd say is "Stop it, stupid!"

forgot to bid 05-06-2013 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1404156)
What training program would ever teach to slam a rudder in full opposite directions to the stop? It doesn't make sense. By the time he added one direction to the stop, he already reversed it in the full opposite direction. The airplane barely has time to react to all that input before reversing direction.

Hopefully none. I don't know what the NTSB went through in their investigation to draw their conclusions but they cited it as contributing. But I agree, hopefully none.

But I think the gist of what Carl was talking about is what happens when or if a training program goes unintentionally outside the boundaries of what can be done. I remember reading a good article (which I cannot find on google yet) as the accident investigation went on that explained how all of this full rudder reversal stuff was known back in the 50s with the new USAF bombers (I want to say it mentioned B47s). It just forgotten over time and I think the notion that below Va you're free to do whatever you want crept in but of course this didn't apply to rudder reversal. As the article said that was known and taught then but over the decades just forgotten.

To Carl's point before you throw out a piloting procedure for pilots to use it needs to be vetted for the aircraft beyond just whether it worked in the sim. We've seen that at other times, notably after 9/11 when I remember the use aggressive maneuvers to knock them down or what have you, which manufacturers quickly said "uh, no."

forgot to bid 05-06-2013 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1404231)
All I know is the -80 wouldn't care. It wouldn't give a s ***t. All it'd say is "Stop it, stupid!"

On taxi out, I've noticed the Captains doing full checks of the rudder travel to let the airplane know the Captain is there. Kind of like a cowboy spurring a horse just cuz.


:D


Too Tall 05-06-2013 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 1404230)
Done deal according to schoolhouse

Any more details like delivery date?

firstmob 05-06-2013 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 1404230)
Done deal according to schoolhouse

New, used or:confused: info on delivery schedule

PinnacleFO 05-06-2013 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1404263)
New, used or:confused: info on delivery schedule

I bet it involves delta trading in a bunch of our crj 200s to airbus

firstmob 05-06-2013 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1404265)
I bet it involves delta trading in a bunch of our crj 200s to airbus

I sure hope so.

Imapilot2 05-06-2013 06:27 AM

Well, I say its a 757 replacement and 757-200 in general size, so 757 pay.

Bucking Bar 05-06-2013 06:43 AM

FTB,

The control reversal on the B47 was due to structure flexing when flight controls being used. The wing would flex opposite aileron deployment, making the aileron a servo tab and the wing the aileron. That is an entirely different issue than the Airbus sudden reversal, which was commanded.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:42 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands