3 June Bid
 

Mostly a sideways bid, slightly positive :rolleyes: Really not much good or bad here. ER FO Displacements, but more CAPT seats. And as usual, out here in the provinces (LAX), far removed from the glory that is ATL, nothing at all.

Scoop




Vacancies

ATL320CAPT 4 01673 06224 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
ATLM88CAPT 30 00533 07603 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
ATLM88F/O 15 04875 11732 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
DTW320CAPT 6 00239 05939 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
MSP320CAPT 8 00119 05979 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
MSPM88CAPT 10 01317 06703 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
MSPM88F/O 10 06659 11389 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
NYC320CAPT 4 02564 06895 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
NYCM88CAPT 15 01651 08152 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
NYCM88F/O 5 06708 11738 ADJ STAFF FOR 2014
TOTAL VACANCIES: CAPT: 77 F/O: 30 TOTAL SYSTEM

Displacements

ATL7ERF/O 20
DTW7ERF/O 20
MSP7ERF/O 35
NYC7ERF/O 20
SLC7ERF/O 5
TOTAL SURPLUSES: CAPT: 0 F/O: 100 TOTAL SYSTEM:

I thought the 88B cat was fat?

Once again going forward in reverse.

And 20 of the 100 ER FO displacements are out of NYC. The other 80 are other bases, which is very interesting.

Are we really 100 ER FO's fat, not just right now but for the fallout period during and after the next bid or two?

They could very well be creating a situation where 2014 new hires go heavily to the ER just like in 2007. Maybe that's what they want because of the new 1 year freeze?

If the purpose is to "drive new hires to new hire positions" then this AE, with hiring the better part of at least a year away, doesn't seem to pave the way for that at all. This was clearly 100% about desperately needing bodies in other categories, right now, because they realized they burned themselves by walking over pennies delaying hiring this year and thin bidding existing categories and now they're trying to put out the fire, or at least contain it a little bit.

If this were about setting up some new hire master plan this bid would't have dropped out of the blue, months before an already planned bid, immediately after the last bid, with no notice containing a massive purge from one single fleet type with training/conversions basically effective immediately.

The only other explanation I can see here is the continuation of the great ER purge of 2011-12 continuing. They might have even forced their own hand with no-hiring myopia to save almost nothing in the grand scheme of things and now find themselves in a pickle that could force them to park 75's faster than they otherwise would have had to. That could come in the form of accelerated retirements, or just normal retirements instead of extensions on some of the airframes.

The only scenario I see contrary to the above is a massive all positive AE later this year with no change in 75 retirements (to include some sticking around a little while longer as previously agreed was the consensus), but if that's the case who will fly them after this dump? New hires, of course. Or, even sillier, reinstatement pilots less than a year after getting dumped come back and their positions get filled by new hires. That would be even more of a comedy of errors than the first scenario.

We're either shrinking the ER/75 flying faster (or less slowly) than planned just a month or so ago, or planning is running on fumes, slow and low, trying to work with what they have when they don't have enough to work with. Either way doesn't look good, but it'll look less ungood if there's monster all vacancy AE's right after this one. How likely is that though?

Yeah, I know, the next bid is going to be the one.

Wasn't this similar to the scenario that caused the 2010 hiring? And around the same time?

When you have just as many displacements on widebody fo as junior captain positions, then you have the junior fo stuck in the same position. I am not saying it is bad as a junior fo, it wil just be a wash.

Except that there are more CA seats than WB FO displacements (and those displacements are some of the most junior pilots in the system) I'll betcha that not as many of them will be displaced as one imagines. Wash... not really. There will be a lot more happy dudes than unhappy ones when this is awarded. Unless of course that the perpetual whining about "not being able to hold captain" is just a bunch of forum whining and has no basis in fact.

There were md's on the M88 in Msp,Nyc,Atl on the last AE in march.They will be reinstated before any AE's.

This just out!

Msp to be all rj by 2018. It's true.

Good job outsourcing your jobs delda.

That's a fair point. Got any numbers on that? And how many were displaced to lower positions?

5.) the MSP pilot base is continuing its slow roll into narrow-body oblivion