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GunshipGuy 07-14-2013 09:43 AM

They actually go by "Delta, errr Citrus XXXX".

80ktsClamp 07-14-2013 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1444652)
We've already got nearly 100 CPZ and 30 XJT flows on property. I haven't heard a single story of pilots actually at Delta acting bitter towards flows. There have been a couple of flows that returned to their previous airline, but they were given every opportunity to stay.

We do have some folks already here that have interesting attitudes towards .mil guys, but the flows won't ever have to pull gear for them as they will be of similar seniority:



:confused:

And of course guys like JungleBus who trashtalk their future coworkers before ever setting foot on the property don't help...

It's XJ, not XJT. XJ is Mesaba. XJT is Expressjet combined with the artist formerly known as ASA.

I see you're still butthurt about JungleBus so efficiently shooting holes in your C2012 spin? He'll be on property soon. ;)

80ktsClamp 07-14-2013 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1444700)
I personally know of two females that were hired at CPZ with no PIC time that flowed to Delta already. So saying all CPZ pilots hired were high time pilots is not correct.

Most were high time pilots from other airlines- both CA and FO- either stuck on a forever long upgrade wait or their airline had shut down.

80ktsClamp 07-14-2013 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1444717)
I know personally two people hired at DAL with 0 TPIC. It goes both ways. Just have to meet the minimums and know the right people.

I'm sure you meant "meet the competitive minimums." No one gets hired at the actual DL minimums. 4000 hours was the lowest any civilian got called with last round- TPIC was highly competitive but not 100% required (in my newhire class, we had a senior ASA FO who was also a DL FA at the same time). That will likely remain to be the low end threshold. Military of course have a separate scale of competitive times due to the nature of their career path.

Elcid93 07-14-2013 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1444731)
It's basically all recalls and compass. Compass has the first 20 spots in each class till they reach the limit, then they must back fill with 9E guys. I don't see them hiring anyone off the street.

I'm trying to understand this system of flowthroughs and guaranteed interviews, but in the words of "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer", it "frightens and confuses me."

From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.


So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.

I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?

If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

MrMustache 07-14-2013 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Elcid93 (Post 1444764)
I'm trying to understand this system of flowthroughs and guaranteed interviews, but in the words of "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer", it "frightens and confuses me."

From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.


So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.

I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?

If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Compass last time let the 20 go a month but they have a 90 day hold back if needed. The pilots held back do recieve their seniority/longevity in the class they are held back from though. Compass has always had ATP mins because it is in the contract that newhires get an ATP and a PIC type. They also have about 70 pilots in the hiring pool waiting for classes. Can a CP pilot please make a post outlining this and sticky it for everyone? Lots of explaining this all lately, im not that well versed in it. Just know the basics.

80ktsClamp 07-14-2013 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Elcid93 (Post 1444764)
I'm trying to understand this system of flowthroughs and guaranteed interviews, but in the words of "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer", it "frightens and confuses me."

From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.


So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.

I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?

If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Last round, they got their seniority numbers as a shadow spot in class and went to class when CPZ released them due to staffing needs. Though they had seniority numbers earlier in the cycle, they finally went to class later in the hiring cycle.

forgot to bid 07-14-2013 10:13 AM

Is Compass over staffed by chance?

Jonny Drama 07-14-2013 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1444769)
Is Compass over staffed by chance?

I would say we are appropriately staffed. As previously mentioned we have approximately 70 hired to a pool awaiting the word from Delta.

workingforfree 07-14-2013 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Elcid93 (Post 1444764)
I'm trying to understand this system of flowthroughs and guaranteed interviews, but in the words of "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer", it "frightens and confuses me."

From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.


So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.

I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?

If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Could mean more street hiring than some are thinking ;)

Which is what I heard Delta prefers anyway. I have heard they are not very fond of the flow agreements anyway-- not flaming, just saying what was out there is all.


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