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Lifeisgood 07-14-2013 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1444601)
Read what the other people have said about that. Compass flows ( not sure about Mesaba) were interviewed BY NWA and Delta HR/Line pilots. It was the same interview - the psych eval. No skipping.

After the merger CP got the exact same test and interview format that Delta uses. It sucks that so many spots are taken already. I understand it hurts your MIL buddies ( and myself/many others) but it is what it is. Please keep in mind too it's not their fault, Management came up with the agreements. I have heard alot of stories of guys acting bitter towards flows because " they took their MIL buddies spot". Don't be that guy.

Compass had a former NWA pilot sit at the interviews.
He broke his back and was medically retired from NWA and has pain that is very hard to manage. I know and respect him, but stop telling people that having him Comp HR were able to give the same interviews as NWA did or Delta does.
"I understand it hurts", but a trip to psych eval in downtown ATL or a 20 min conversation with AK would probably cut many Compass guys.
Just my emotionless opinion.

GunshipGuy 07-14-2013 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1444601)
Read what the other people have said about that. Compass flows ( not sure about Mesaba) were interviewed BY NWA and Delta HR/Line pilots. It was the same interview - the psych eval. No skipping. After the merger CP got the exact same test and interview format that Delta uses. It sucks that so many spots are taken already. I understand it hurts your MIL buddies ( and myself/many others) but it is what it is. Please keep in mind too it's not their fault, Management came up with the agreements. I have heard alot of stories of guys acting bitter towards flows because " they took their MIL buddies spot". Don't be that guy.

I didn't say that. What I commented on was the guaranteed class/job. You say that they essentially (if not outright) had the same interview. So they took the cognitive test as well? Interesting. Did compass require a four year degree when they hired their pilots?

TeddyKGB 07-14-2013 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by fly2002 (Post 1444615)
Hi guys/gals. Can someone tell me how much that thumb drive you go through before class is worth in terms of hours? I've looked in a bunch of places but can't find an answer. I'm doing the 717 systems thumb drive.

Thanks in advance. :-)

Fly2002

Just under 6 hours pay. It will show up on your time card once you enter the completion code in DBMS. I think it was 5:46.

MrMustache 07-14-2013 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1444638)
I didn't say that. What I commented on was the guaranteed class/job. You say that they essentially (if not outright) had the same interview. So they took the cognitive test as well? Interesting. Did compass require a four year degree when they hired their pilots?

Yes the tests are the same.

Imapilot2 07-14-2013 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1444601)
Read what the other people have said about that. Compass flows ( not sure about Mesaba) were interviewed BY NWA and Delta HR/Line pilots. It was the same interview - the psych eval. No skipping. After the merger CP got the exact same test and interview format that Delta uses. It sucks that so many spots are taken already. I understand it hurts your MIL buddies ( and myself/many others) but it is what it is. Please keep in mind too it's not their fault, Management came up with the agreements. I have heard alot of stories of guys acting bitter towards flows because " they took their MIL buddies spot". Don't be that guy.


um...no. thats deceptive. I'm not saying they are not good pilots or good people but the expectation and criteria for MOST of those flows was no were near the same as in the mainline Delta or NWA interview. Yes some of the first pilots to Compass were high time but quickly it became low time and CFI's being interviewed. If you think for a minute that the thumbs up criteria for them to compass and the current interview at Delta is the same you are kidding yourself. Again, they might just be fine pilots but....different panel expectations. Again most in the panel were low time regional fo's and cfi's verses very experienced mil pilots and regional/national rj captains at the mainline interview with many more years under thier belt to screw up, explain and share.

equating TMAAT "so there I was giving dual on a long cross country from orlando to daytona....

"So there I was coming out of LGA during the snow storm with the wx dropping all over the east coast when the rear FA calls up with a medical in the back with no doctors on board.....it was late at night with most airports shutting down periodically with plowing and ice. I decided....

daldude 07-14-2013 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1444643)
um...no. thats deceptive. I'm not saying they are not good pilots or good people but the expectation and criteria for MOST of those flows was no were near the same as in the mainline Delta or NWA interview. Yes some of the first pilots to Compass were high time but quickly it became low time and CFI's being interviewed. If you think for a minute that the thumbs up criteria for them to compass and the current interview at Delta is the same you are kidding yourself. Again, they might just be fine pilots but....different panel expectations. Again most in the panel were low time regional fo's and cfi's verses very experienced mil pilots and regional/national rj captains at the mainline interview with many more years under thier belt to screw up, explain and share.

Ohhhhhh, your in trouble now.

TeddyKGB 07-14-2013 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1444643)
um...no. thats deceptive. I'm not saying they are not good pilots or good people but the expectation and criteria for MOST of those flows was no were near the same as in the mainline Delta or NWA interview. Yes some of the first pilots to Compass were high time but quickly it became low time and CFI's being interviewed. If you think for a minute that the thumbs up criteria for them to compass and the current interview at Delta is the same you are kidding yourself. Again, they might just be fine pilots but....different panel expectations. Again most in the panel were low time regional fo's and cfi's verses very experienced mil pilots and regional/national rj captains at the mainline interview with many more years under thier belt to screw up, explain and share.

When the CZ flow was intact, it was very competitive to get on there. Most hired were very high time regional captains. I don't know of any CFI's or regional FO's who got on at CZ when the flow thru was still in place. Yes it has changed now. With the flow being gone and being owned by TSA, they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel with low time regional FO's and CFIs.

JobHopper 07-14-2013 06:37 AM

All A and some B skeds are up.

bohicagain 07-14-2013 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1444643)
um...no. thats deceptive. I'm not saying they are not good pilots or good people but the expectation and criteria for MOST of those flows was no were near the same as in the mainline Delta or NWA interview. Yes some of the first pilots to Compass were high time but quickly it became low time and CFI's being interviewed. If you think for a minute that the thumbs up criteria for them to compass and the current interview at Delta is the same you are kidding yourself. Again, they might just be fine pilots but....different panel expectations. Again most in the panel were low time regional fo's and cfi's verses very experienced mil pilots and regional/national rj captains at the mainline interview with many more years under thier belt to screw up, explain and share.

Actually no they are not the same as the Delta in 07 it was similar to the former NWA interview

When I interviewed at Compass in fall of 2007 I had to do a 727 Sim ride with a Former LCA on the 727 an ATP test Followed by a panel interview with 2 former 747 retired CA and an HR who was from NWA
We were told this was the identical interview for NWA guys.
Since NWA had not started hiring in fall of 07 we were told Compass was the only way to get to NWA

slowplay 07-14-2013 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1444601)
I have heard alot of stories of guys acting bitter towards flows because " they took their MIL buddies spot". Don't be that guy.

We've already got nearly 100 CPZ and 30 XJT flows on property. I haven't heard a single story of pilots actually at Delta acting bitter towards flows. There have been a couple of flows that returned to their previous airline, but they were given every opportunity to stay.

We do have some folks already here that have interesting attitudes towards .mil guys, but the flows won't ever have to pull gear for them as they will be of similar seniority:


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1368264)
Progress will go slow until we get a small legion of civilians over here who think outside the chain of command.

:confused:

And of course guys like JungleBus who trashtalk their future coworkers before ever setting foot on the property don't help...


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