To whoever knows the answer.

Shiz's answer to Bar raises a question. If 5th freedom (in this case) refers to DAL code on another airlines 3rd and 4th freedom flights, does that count toward DAL fulfilling its contractual Narita slot usage?

That still doesn't change the fact that the previous contract allowed a higher amount of 76 seaters. With 88 717s coming we will exceed 767 airframes anyway. Which still doesn't matter, because 255 is a higher number.

Did you read the previous contract? They would have had to park 70 seaters in order to get more 76 seaters. Our new contract lets them park 50 seaters to get more 76 seaters. It was a loss.

It would be a true statement that C2012 allowed more RJs over 50 seats, but it would also be true to state that C2012 reduced the ceiling on the number of RJs with over 70 seats, reduced the total number of RJs and seats at DCI, established block hour ratios that contractually ratchet down the amount of flying permisable at DCI vs mainline and, added a new narrow-bodied category with new captain bids.

What's the count up to on first time captain bids at DAL since C2012? Close to 200 I believe, and the first 717 hasn't entered service yet.

DAL code on other airlines does not count toward the Delta usage of 316 NRT slots per week. The ability for Delta to put its code on other airlines to fly from NRT to other cities in Asia is only available to Delta if Delta utilizes at least 316 slots per week for Delta flights. If Delta doesn't utilize 316 slots per week for Delta flights, then Delta loses its ability to put Delta code on other airlines to fly flights from NRT to other Asian cities.

It is this limitation that Delta wants to get rid of...and I believe DALPA has just agreed to.

Carl

But we have Alaska....

No... Carl is correct when he states the NRT slot language refers to DL operated flights.

At issue: What is the future if DAL Pacific flying, and does it have NRT as the focus? How many Delta pilot jobs are covered by the current language and how many jobs can be protected with modernization o the current language?

What is more important, protecting NRT slots (that they can ditch anyway) or increasing and protecting pilot block hours for Delta pilots in the Pacific theater? That is what the MEC will have to decide.

I suggest offering your perspective to your reps, mine definitely were seeking out input all last week in the lounge.

The only thing the MEC agreed to was to temporarily allow both HND and NRT to count towards the 316 through September as being Tokyo. They've got a small window now to decide if Tokyo should be thought of as a single unit as we didn't have the HND service at the merger. The opposite side to this is that if Delta cancels the code share they have to maintain ZERO slots in NRT. The code share accounts for less than 5000 passengers over a rolling 12 months or roughly 13 passengers per day.

They have to pay for that ya know.... DAL used to be when I first got hired, and I guess the head shed figured they could make more money elsewhere... I used to find it funny that AirTran had those football team logos painted on their airplanes and those teams had charter contracts with us. Disney's no different...

And you're surprised?