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Not really sure how someone collapsing from heat stroke proves an airplane can't make money. The DC-9-50 is a sweltering mess in the summer, but profitable. Furthermore, I flew on a CRJ900 this past summer with a deferred APU and deferred single point refueling. So while we waited for the over wing fueling to be finished in 95 degree heat, the cabin temp exceeded 85 degrees. The only way to get the cabin cooled to a bearable temp was to run both engines for the 2:30 taxi at LGA.

That should not have happened to you, air at the gate should have been hooked up, or the captain should have refused the flight. However, the 200 may never cool down even with both engines running.

Carl Spackler

09-21-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1488086)

Cost Neutral? I'd say after everything that has gone on since ratification, the contract has been cost positive, for management.

The PWA raises don't even come close to the regional rate reset and 9E savings from the scope swap.

You are correct. In fact, Ed said during an investor call that not only is the pilot contract cost neutral to Delta Air Lines, but the savings that will be realized by the pilots contract will allow us to invest in initiatives among our other employee groups.

Carl

Carl Spackler

09-21-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1488130)

If a 50 seater doesn't make any profit, why did management want to keep 125 of them?:rolleyes:

Because 125 of the 50 seaters are under a long term contract that management can't get out of yet no matter what contract cave-in you want to advocate for us.

Carl

Carl Spackler

09-21-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1488115)

Although I will say this, saying that we sold scope might be harsh, it's more like we got willfully snookered on scope.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1488132)

You came from the regionals, right?:rolleyes:

Well, you came from the Delta MEC bureaucracy and were voted out by this new group of reps. Now you're back suckling at ALPA national doing the same work you got voted out for at DALPA. So, does it really matter where someone comes from slowplay?

Carl

tsquare

09-21-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1488165)

Keep spinning it Carl..... Take an irrelevant fact... yes I said fact... (that being that the cost was neutral to Delta Air Lines... the corporation) and try to make it something it isn't. As you like to say "sad". Reeks of doughnut desperation.

grasshopper

09-21-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1488154)

Does coming from the womb of the military somehow make an argument more credible?:rolleyes:

Well Propaganda 101 states that when one can't successfully refute the facts, the messenger should be belittled in an attempt to indirectly downplay the merit of the fact said messenger presented.

Should the attempt have been one to let FTB be shown as hypocritical as his position was owed to regional experience...then I'm afraid that is also a swing and miss as he was an accomplished aviator and analyst prior to that experiment.

I'm struggling to really determine how that was a constructive question really...slowplay's that is

grasshopper

09-21-2013 03:24 PM

I really can't believe that there's not more NCAA cheerleader pics a'flyin right now. There's hiring afoot, meat of college football season is upon us, and most Atlanta transiting FO's got their baths knocked out today during the walkarounds.

johnso29

09-21-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1488152)

You mean the job he quit?

Is this FTB trivia hour or is there a discussion at hand?

I don't know if he quit. I was simply being a smarty pants. His regional experience isn't that relevant since he started in turboprops, and never flew anything larger then 50 seaters.

Carl Spackler

09-21-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1488181)

I don't know if he quit. I was simply being a smarty pants. His regional experience isn't that relevant since he started in turboprops, and never flew anything larger then 50 seaters.

This is about the 20th time consecutively that you've done this. Do you know the difference between "then" and "than"?

Carl

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