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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1444524)
Look at the Delta Flight Ops Comm, weekly update. It was sent out at 1pm.
We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus. Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1444526)
From 2010 until now we had 558 retirements. I think there were less than 50 scheduled. I know part of that was the early out program, but we will see more retirements than scheduled. Unless we have a major incident that effects the industry or another merger, I'd bet we see hiring every year for the next 10. Maybe not classes every month, but at least some hiring every year.
But let's take the CP rumor of 700 overstaffed into the equation plus B717/330s growth jets or GJs. Instead of 1830 by the end of 2016 we only need 1130. 1130 / 3 years = 377 pilots per year. Look all of this is going to get lost in the mud as time goes on. Even if the company really wanted 9000, they'd need to hire. So I think it will be hard to notice but if 300-400/yr was the case instead of what it should be, I'd sure would like to know why in July 2013 we were considered overstaffed by 700. Because if it was as EB and RA mentioned "increased pilot productivity" from the 2012 PWA, I sure as hell don't want to repeat that feat. |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1444534)
Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions.
Still the same question, how come the TA didn't make us understaffed? |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1444534)
Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.
We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus. Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions. |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1444534)
Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.
We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus. Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions. I received an ops update email from SD that said 300. It is also on the flight ops update via the phone. Number is list at end of FOM. As you may know I am a huge skeptic of rumors but I do feel this announcement is real. PM me your email and I will forward you SD's ops update |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1444534)
Thx. However, the last weekly update showing is Jul 5th and doesn't discuss hiring... I saw someone before say it was up and then pulled down.
We all may be seriously overjumping the gun here, there is in fact NOT any public announcement, in writing, of hiring posted ? I'm looking for good news like everyone else, but it seems some of us are so desperate to bang the drum that we're banging it without even a written public announcement? Oh please... let it NOT be a typo or cut and paste mistake that was quickly removed as totally bogus. Good analysis FTB for the hiring, but also take into account the CR statement we are 300 overstaffed now in your subtractions. |
Here I'll pass along a not that important rumor. When it comes to tablets/EFBs, the pecking order of who would get tablets would go as follows; people who interface with customers followed by those who need them in order of need.
We're at the bottom of that list. FA's (contract evidently is coming up on the machines they currently use), Red Coats/Gate Agents would come first. Mechanics next. Pilots last. Or so I was told. /F.O. Wang Chung Tanight |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1444516)
I'm hoping 300 becomes the "start in January and then hiring indefinitely after that" that keeps being bandied about.
If you go back to January 2013, we had 56 scheduled retirements in 2013 with 21 already retired and 35 that will retire. There will be 121 in 2014 for a total of 177. If you look at the seniority list in Jan vs now, we've had 61 leave. However, that's the seniority list and I didn't go through to check the percentage of those scheduled for retirement or who have left were actually line pilots. But anyways, by that number 40 more have left than the scheduled 21 and I think that's the norm. Anyways, what is the delivery rate with the 717s? 6 in Oct and 3 a month after that? Assume 100% of the 739s are non growth for a moment and we've been told 100% of the 717s are growth, so that's:
Why is it only 300 if it's already known the 717s are all growth plus retirements? |
Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1444543)
I guess you just found the the 300 surplus pilots that CR has been talking about. Displacements and hiring at same time. Yikes that is a lot of training.
How many events can this training department handle a year again? But come hell or high water, no matter what, even if flights are cancelled - the A320 is overstaffed. |
BTW looks like partial in airplane 717 OEs begin in August.
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