Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

...At the first realization that pitch is not controllable (even with full forward yoke pressure), roll hard to the left or right to point the lift vector on or even below the horizon (90 to 100 degrees of bank angle). This causes the nose to quickly fall below the horizon and airspeed to rapidly increase assuming you leave power at full...

Originally Posted by Boomer

The video almost looks like they tried. One wing drops and the nose falls through the horizon, unfortunately they were on the deck before they could get the pitch back to level.

Of course they also could have been wallowing in a stall the whole way down.

Either way, the stuff of nightmares...

Originally Posted by Boomer

The video almost looks like they tried. One wing drops and the nose falls through the horizon, unfortunately they were on the deck before they could get the pitch back to level.

Of course they also could have been wallowing in a stall the whole way down.

Either way, the stuff of nightmares...

Originally Posted by horrido27

Not sure if you made this post in jest or serious..
But even a C-5 would have been screwed.
No way to open the back end from upstairs.. takes the Loadmasters to pull ramp pins and then open the aft ramp & door from downstairs~

Motch
ex C-5 FE~

Originally Posted by Mesabah

It looked like they were in a full stall by the time they rolled left, then right. It then looks like a spin was starting to develop.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Incredibly sad. We all need to try to learn anything we can from the loss of these lives, and the following is meant for that purpose:

If they had cargo come loose, and If that resulted in an instant CG movement beyond the aft limits, a full aerodynamic stall and departure from controlled flight may have been preventable. I got to experience this very thing in the test environment, and the recovery technique is not immediately logical. At the first realization that pitch is not controllable (even with full forward yoke pressure), roll hard to the left or right to point the lift vector on or even below the horizon (90 to 100 degrees of bank angle). This causes the nose to quickly fall below the horizon and airspeed to rapidly increase assuming you leave power at full. As airspeed increases, level the wings and accept that the nose will rapidly rise again. Repeating this pattern results in gaining altitude with each roll reversal, and buys time to trim the stabilizer to the full nose down limit, select full flaps, and the aircraft is controllable with full forward yoke pressure.

There's no way you can pull this off without the instant reaction that only comes from prior training and mental preparation. Assuming the crew never got this training, they sadly had no chance. Not saying with certainty this recovery technique would have worked in this condition, but it may have.

Something to think about.

Carl

Originally Posted by Boomer

I would agree... but for the nose coming up in the final seconds.

Jury's out until they crack into the FDR and make some chilling cartoons for the rest of us to learn from.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

At the first realization that pitch is not controllable (even with full forward yoke pressure), roll hard to the left or right to point the lift vector on or even below the horizon (90 to 100 degrees of bank angle). This causes the nose to quickly fall below the horizon and airspeed to rapidly increase assuming you leave power at full. As airspeed increases, level the wings and accept that the nose will rapidly rise again.