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Old 06-03-2013 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That appears to be the case. I remembered him parroting a similar line a number of times.

From the April Memo:

Going forward, we envision posting smaller but more frequent bids. Future bids will primarily contain vacancies
to add staffing for additional mainline aircraft deliveries, including the 717 and 739, as well as backfilling
openings created by pilot attrition. The March 2013 bid should be our final clean-up before entering into the
more frequent bid phase.

I guess 107 vacancies and 100 displacements counts as primarily vacancies?
I think your going to find that with the long planned retirements on the 757 there will be displacements off that aircraft on most bids. The key is the gain of 77 more Captains slots. This puts us over 275 new Captains in the last 12 months. As long as they are adding Captains then hiring has to follow as the surplus of FO's moves to CA slots.
Old 06-03-2013 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think your going to find that with the long planned retirements on the 757 there will be displacements off that aircraft on most bids. The key is the gain of 77 more Captains slots. This puts us over 275 new Captains in the last 12 months. As long as they are adding Captains then hiring has to follow as the surplus of FO's moves to CA slots.
Is "new" captain like calling the 4/8/3/3 a raise? Or just previous people who used to be able to hold captain that are just now getting back...

Chew on that one for a few.
Old 06-03-2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Is "new" captain like calling the 4/8/3/3 a raise? Or just previous people who used to be able to hold captain that are just now getting back...

Chew on that one for a few.
Why does it matter. Its a net gain in Captains now. The past is the past. If they don't move back up to a Captains seat then those FO's who have never been a Captain certainly are not moving back up. Not even sure what your point is other then the last 12 years were crappy for the airline industry.
Old 06-03-2013 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
With the reserve system we have I think it would help if you also knew this pilot's seniority within his category to give that anecdotal info some context.
Pretty junior actually, but lives in base, so sitting SC is no big deal. HE was home a LOT. Look at the numbers. The NY 7ER FOs are waaaaay overstaffed.. have been for months
Old 06-03-2013 | 02:27 PM
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Old 06-03-2013 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Is "new" captain like calling the 4/8/3/3 a raise? Or just previous people who used to be able to hold captain that are just now getting back...

Chew on that one for a few.
Lots of guys once could hold Delta Express captain in their second year with the company back in the late 90s. Does that mean that they have all been getting the shaft ever since? Guess what? The entire industry has sucked for a decade. You know that as much as anyone.

Who cares what a guy could hold back in 1998, or 1988, or 1958? Who cares if "a captain could buy a Cadillac with a month's salary" back in 1971? What is going on today, and how can we best move forward are the only truly important questions. Anything else is a waste of intellectual energy.
Old 06-03-2013 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Lots of guys once could hold Delta Express captain in their second year with the company back in the late 90s. Does that mean that they have all been getting the shaft ever since?
Well, sorta. It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.

JMHO, we're going to get some of that back with the 717's. We have a little momentum that I hope we can build on.
Old 06-03-2013 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well, sorta. Those jobs were pretty directly outsourced to Comair & Republic.

It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.
They were not. Those routes ended up being Song and then they were folded back into mainline. Mostly NE to Fla. Or they simply went away like EWR to Fla and BDL to Fla.
Old 06-03-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Lots of guys once could hold Delta Express captain in their second year with the company back in the late 90s. Does that mean that they have all been getting the shaft ever since? Guess what? The entire industry has sucked for a decade. You know that as much as anyone.

Who cares what a guy could hold back in 1998, or 1988, or 1958? Who cares if "a captain could buy a Cadillac with a month's salary" back in 1971? What is going on today, and how can we best move forward are the only truly important questions. Anything else is a waste of intellectual energy.
I have to agree. Career expectations in this profession are worthless. I think we're on the uptick but its not, nor will it ever be, what it once was. At this point, we should just seek the best for our families and be very thankful that our merger was so successful.

For perspective, just chat with a UAL or US Air or Air Tran dude.
Old 06-03-2013 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well, sorta. It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.

JMHO, we're going to get some of that back with the 717's. We have a little momentum that I hope we can build on.
Good point. When we have soon to be 325 jumbo RJs a vast majority of which are longer than the 732, don't blame the economy alone for a sucky decade when it comes to things like loss of flying.
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