Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1421408)

Interesting. I wish that I had the seniority list from last June. I saved the one from September. Over 200 pilots have left the seniority list since September. I just wonder how many captains have left the seniority list in the past year. If two captains retire and you have one captain vacancy on an AE, then you do not count it as a net position. You can't just look at the bids since signing to determine net positions. You have to know how many captains have left.

Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1421410)

I see Qatar was invited to join oneworld (if you can't beat em, join em). So who do you guys think will finish off the rest of DAL's international flying after the Virgins are done with us, Emirates or Etihad?

New capt positions or not, tiny pay raises or not, 757s retired as planned or not, right now it takes 10-15 years to hold the intl line many new hires were holding in '08. For about the same money, and working a little harder.

Someone here predicted a year or two ago that DAL is going to become a mid-range connecting airline, letting RJs do the short stuff and codeshare partners do the big stuff, with DAL pilots scrounging for the transcon redeyes and 767/330 size planes as our "widebodies". I think that's exactly what's happening as there seems to be no interest in expanding intl flying or growing/renewing our dwindling widebody fleet.

Is it possible that RA and EB have already mentally conceded that a Mideast supercarrier will be flying the big planes for DL and that they will pretend to fight it publicly until announcing a codeshare the next day? Do we have ANY say in this? Maybe we should stay a step ahead and push for longevity-based pay now. Because I haven't seen a bid in the last five years (this one included) where a lot of DAL pilots moved from a smaller airplane to a bigger one. I've seen the exact opposite, bid after bid after bid.

P.S. That's one data point..."progressing" from widebody international lineholder to narrowbody domestic reserve during a period of record profitability and market consolidation, where we are arguably five years of the others in that process. If anyone's life has gotten much, much better in the past five years at Delta, I'd like to hear about it. Seriously...because for some maybe it has. And if you ask ALPA, it's gotten much better for all of us.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1421490)

As a new 2008 new hire I was on reserve for only two weeks for NYC 7ERB. I held a line for June-August and then converted to ATL 7ERB where I held a line in September despite being at the bottom. Then that was that. The economy had crashed and fall was here.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1421490)

As a new 2008 new hire I was on reserve for only two weeks for NYC 7ERB. I held a line for June-August and then converted to ATL 7ERB where I held a line in September despite being at the bottom. Then that was that. The economy had crashed and fall was here.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1421496)

Just so we are clear, for Sailing, what you are saying is that your overall trend has been positive?

FTB, the water in your pot is not boiling, it is bathwater temperature...trust us...signed the mustachioed guys.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1421492)

whilst doing my daily perusal of daily trip coverage to see if someone got a greenslip that could've been mine, I noticed something odd.

in DTW 777B on 3 june trip coverage, it listed a trip for a guy that started on 1june ending 3 june. How does that happen.

I know its not because my computer is a time machine.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1421435)

I don't have the seniority list but we can work with the category lists for June 2013 vs June 2012. So basically pre-PWA and 1 year later.

The end result is between June 2013 and June 2012, we are -98 Captains and +5 FOs for a net of -93 pilots.

Every base lost positions except for ATL up +63 As and +24 Bs and LAX +1 As and +3 Bs and NYC B +24 Bs. The rest were negative.

As to furloughs, still 203 with no change, -125 fewer on MIL leave, -31 fewer on SIC A and -9 SIC B.

• The exact number for 2012 was 4,851 As and 5,773 Bs for a total of 10,624.
• The exact number of 2013 was 4,753 As and 5,778 Bs for a total of 10,531 .

Sailing there isn't a net of 275 Captain positions since the contract was signed. We've lost Captains. The 22D2 report (which I know runs a lower number) is showing a -124 loss of As from August 2013 vs March 2014.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1421504)

Net was probably a bad choice of terms on my part. The bid results for the bids posted since the contract show about 200 new Captains. The bid out now adds 77 more. Our numbers match up pretty well when you account for the ER program. We lost 196 Captains to the ER program. Still using your numbers can you explain where the massive contractual job loss is?