The answer is in the lost roadshow notes.

Whatever tosses a little angst in your life must be good from a manning perspective...Right?

Delta's a Captain's airline.

You'll be senior someday.

You F...ed up, you trusted us.

Somebody reads the notes accompanying the AE?

The net gain with this bid is about 275 Captains jobs since the contract was signed. I don't quite understand why the increase since we have not been taking aircraft other then 90's and those I think have been offset with DC9 retirements. According to the fleet plan we don't start really adding airframes until Nov of this year. Part of it might be front loading some seats in anticipation of the training load.
I believe the fleet plan for the next year is to park 11 757's according to the crew planning memo just put out. I think in the same time frame we will add 14 to 16 737's. Not sure how many nines are left. I think its around 17 flying.
If you look at the fleet in Jun of next year here is what I see from reading the company reports and memo's. These are not exact numbers but should be close.
Gains
717-21 airframes
737-14
MD-90-12
Total 47 airframes
Losses
757-11
DC-9 17
Total 28

net gain next 12 months 19 airframes

Edited due to math error

Math error there SF.

Using your numbers above, the Gains are;

21+14+12=47, not 57, so a net gain of only 19, not 29...:rolleyes:

Never do math in public!
I was also emailed and told that we will have 17 737's by next June and 23 717's. I will try and find some exact numbers.

Old memo shows the following for the 717. 2 aircraft in Aug13 followed by 3 per month. 29 total by 1 June. No updates I could find and I believe that is the schedule. In service date however has been pushed from Sep to Nov. I am told this is because of the Boeing sim move to Miami and other delays in training.
Total of 55 new airframes and net gain of 27.

During the remaining 7 months of 2014 we will take delivery of a additional 21 717's and 14 737's for a total of 35 additional airframes. I don't have any planned retirements during that time but based on the 2018 number for the 757 I would expect to lose another 10 or so airframes in the remainder of 14.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1421348]The net gain with this bid is about 275 Captains jobs since the contract was signed. I don't quite understand why the increase since we have not been taking aircraft other then 90's and those I think have been offset with DC9 retirements. According to the fleet plan we don't start really adding airframes until Nov of this year. Part of it might be front loading some seats in anticipation of the training load.
I believe the fleet plan for the next year is to park 11 757's according to the crew planning memo just put out. I think in the same time frame we will add 14 to 16 737's. Not sure how many nines are left. I think its around 17 flying.
If you look at the fleet in Jun of next year here is what I see from reading the company reports and memo's. These are not exact numbers but should be close.
Gains
717-29 airframes
737-14
MD-90-12
Total 55 airframes
Losses
757-11
DC-9 17
Total 28

net gain next 12 months 27 airframes

Edited due to math and delivery schedule error.

I show in June 2011 when you counted up the REG and RES lines that we had around 10,516 REG/RES pilots with 708 jets or 14.85 per plane.

In June 2012, with 722 jets, he had 10,537 REG/RES pilots or 14.59 per plane.

In June 2013, with 719 jets, we had 10,446 REG/RES pilots or 14.53 per plane.

Notice a trend?

So how are we NET plus 275 Captains since the contract? I show us with 4,854 As in June 2012 and 4,707 in June 2013? Feel free to double check.

BTW, how many 757s do you see this time next year? We're at 141 now. Down from 148 when we signed the contract and 176 when we signed the contract. From the time we signed this contract we're already down -7 B757s, -4 DC9s, -1 320, -1 319, -2 767s and +19 MD90s. FWIW.

So are we losing another 11 757s by this time next year plus all 17 remaining DC9s? Any others? I get +14 737s, +21 717s and +11 MD90s.

Interesting. I wish that I had the seniority list from last June. I saved the one from September. Over 200 pilots have left the seniority list since September. I just wonder how many captains have left the seniority list in the past year. If two captains retire and you have one captain vacancy on an AE, then you do not count it as a net position. You can't just look at the bids since signing to determine net positions. You have to know how many captains have left.

I see Qatar was invited to join oneworld (if you can't beat em, join em). So who do you guys think will finish off the rest of DAL's international flying after the Virgins are done with us, Emirates or Etihad?

New capt positions or not, tiny pay raises or not, 757s retired as planned or not, right now it takes 10-15 years to hold the intl line many new hires were holding in '08. For about the same money, and working a little harder.

Someone here predicted a year or two ago that DAL is going to become a mid-range connecting airline, letting RJs do the short stuff and codeshare partners do the big stuff, with DAL pilots scrounging for the transcon redeyes and 767/330 size planes as our "widebodies". I think that's exactly what's happening as there seems to be no interest in expanding intl flying or growing/renewing our dwindling widebody fleet.

Is it possible that RA and EB have already mentally conceded that a Mideast supercarrier will be flying the big planes for DL and that they will pretend to fight it publicly until announcing a codeshare the next day? Do we have ANY say in this? Maybe we should stay a step ahead and push for longevity-based pay now. Because I haven't seen a bid in the last five years (this one included) where a lot of DAL pilots moved from a smaller airplane to a bigger one. I've seen the exact opposite, bid after bid after bid.

P.S. That's one data point..."progressing" from widebody international lineholder to narrowbody domestic reserve during a period of record profitability and market consolidation, where we are arguably five years of the others in that process. If anyone's life has gotten much, much better in the past five years at Delta, I'd like to hear about it. Seriously...because for some maybe it has. And if you ask ALPA, it's gotten much better for all of us.

I don't have the seniority list but we can work with the category lists for June 2013 vs June 2012. So basically pre-PWA and 1 year later.

The end result is between June 2013 and June 2012, we are -98 Captains and +5 FOs for a net of -93 pilots.

Every base lost positions except for ATL up +63 As and +24 Bs and LAX +1 As and +3 Bs and NYC B +24 Bs. The rest were negative.

As to furloughs, still 203 with no change, -125 fewer on MIL leave, -31 fewer on SIC A and -9 SIC B.

• The exact number for 2012 was 4,851 As and 5,773 Bs for a total of 10,624.
• The exact number of 2013 was 4,753 As and 5,778 Bs for a total of 10,531 .

Sailing there isn't a net of 275 Captain positions since the contract was signed. We've lost Captains. The 22D2 report (which I know runs a lower number) is showing a -124 loss of As from August 2013 vs March 2014.

Interesting stuff, ftb. Thanks.

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