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Old 06-20-2013 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
TWA 800 was going from JFK to Paris (CDG), and yes there would have been no need for center tank fuel on that short of a flight.

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It's funny what you big guys consider short. My airplane needs the center tank to fly from Atlanta to Paris, Texas.
Old 06-20-2013 | 06:25 AM
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Well Done, and thank you to all who participated.

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Old 06-20-2013 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The one time I've seen real, no kidding, windshear, as a line of garbage and dust swept across the airport, a MD88 crew reported an X0 knot gain on landing roll out. I sure remember they said "eighty" but I wouldn't swear to it.

My first officer and I had already been preparing for the go around. The report from the Delta pilot ahead was good information ... we asked for a non standard missed to remain as clear as we could. He was off to ground before we could say thanks for the PIREP. It is good that PIREPS are a part of Delta's windshear training.
While on a DAL 7ER J/S into FLL at night, I got the chance to experience 'preventative' windshear avoidance. Hurricane Sandy's outer winds were affecting the area and it was bumpy all the way from altitude to the deck. We were about 7miles in trail of a Spirit A320 when they reported a 20kt loss in airspeed at about 200-100ft off the deck. FO was flying and looked across with a 'yeah let's not try that what do you think' look. Exciting, to describe the go-around, is an understatement and experiencing it from the 75 JS had me thinking, this is what it must feel like checking out of Canaveral.

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Old 06-20-2013 | 06:33 AM
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NASA Case Study TWA 800

You guys are way above my head and knowledgeable on all of this TWA stuff but I remember reading an article talking about some common practice by FEs of pulling fuel pump circuit breakers. I know I read it but I don't know if any of it was true or in the NTSB report. I was going to double check but I've got a flight to catch. I did google TWA 800 circuit breaker and found that NASA case study and didn't even finish reading it but thought you guys might like to see it. So there it is. Out of time. Still typing. Kind of addicted I guess. It's only 4 pages.
Old 06-20-2013 | 06:43 AM
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Also what effect did altitude have on the conditions in the tank?
Old 06-20-2013 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I've met the guy a couple of times in my career, but normally just in passing. But, a few months ago I took him to LGA for what turned out to be the announcement of the Virgin deal. I invited him to sit on the jumpseat, but he declined because he was with his wife. We chatted for a little bit, but we were pressed for time so it wasn't too extensive. As the conversation wound down and he got ready to go back to the cabin (coach seat) he politely asked us if he could get us something to drink from the galley.

Great guy. I know it's a business, but I'm glad he's our CEO.
I was giving a captain OE going from RSW to ATL a couple of months ago, and he stuck his head into the cockpit to say hello. very personable. We offered him the JS, and he declined and returned to his coach seat with his wife. A few minutes later he came back up and asked if the offer still stood because he had given up his seat to a lady with a cat... He said he was getting the better end of the deal than his wife. On the way to ATL he was listening to the radios and pointed some pretty subtle ATL-specific item out to the captain well before I could get to it. Pretty impressive guy IMHO. Glad he's ours....
Old 06-20-2013 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I was giving a captain OE going from RSW to ATL a couple of months ago, and he stuck his head into the cockpit to say hello. very personable. .. Glad he's ours....
Yes, very much so. Flown him twice now and on both occasions he did nothing to call special attention to himself, took a seat in coach after talking to the crew and slept. He was telling us about a tech insertion package on the 737 that we knew less about than he did. My impression was a very genuine, humble, man who exemplifies service oriented leadership.

Unfortunately, it seems his vision for Delta is a considerably smaller airline and network than we out here in the bleacher seats would prefer. I am concerned that our network will fall below the critical mass necessary to be successful in Europe and Asia.

Surely part of the difference in our perspective is that I work for the part of the airline defined as non permitted flying and he's in charge of the entire brand.

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Old 06-20-2013 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Yes, very much so. Flown him twice now and on both occasions he did nothing to call special attention to himself, took a seat in coach after talking to the crew and slept. He was telling us about a tech insertion package on the 737 that we knew less about than he did. My impression was a very genuine, humble, man who exemplifies service oriented leadership.

Unfortunately, it seems his vision for Delta is a considerably smaller airline and network than we out here in the bleacher seats would prefer. I am concerned that our network will fall below the critical mass necessary to be successful in Europe and Asia.

Surely part of the difference in our perspective is that I work for the part of the airline defined as non permitted flying and he's in charge of the entire brand.

Bar,

You could also say a smaller airline (DAL) but within a larger network when you include DCI, Codeshares, JVs, and whatever you call our deal with Alaska. Could at the same time be good for DAL but bad for DAL employees.

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Old 06-20-2013 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Bar,

You could also say a smaller airline (DAL) but within a larger network when you include DCI, Codeshares, JVs, and whatever you call our deal with Alaska. Could at the same time be good for DAL but bad for DAL employees.

Scoop
Yippeee!!!! The Virgin deal is approved (we own 49%). Delta, now, has more access to widebodies.

TEN
Old 06-20-2013 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Yippeee!!!! The Virgin deal is approved (we own 49%). Delta, now, has more access to widebodies.

TEN
According to our friends at Wiki, Virgin Atlantic has 41 jets.

A333 - 10
A343 - 4
A346 - 15 (I want these)
B744 - 12

On order (and no idea what's a replacement jet or not)

A388 - 6 with options for 6
B789 - 16 with options for 8 to enter service in... ha ha ha ha... it's the 787
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